Beyoncé - MY HOUSE

[TheSine 6,090]

1 hour ago, Future Lovers said:

To stan an artist and be on a website dedicated to an artist who’s so culturally literate, Gaga’s fans really don’t understand anything that isn’t dance pop aimed at white people. 

...?

[phantasmas 9,924]

2 hours ago, River said:

Beyonce is actually THE radio friendly R&B singer that white people are willing to listen to

but they should be willing to listen to more black and brown experiences is what I think @Future Lovers was trying to get at; she shouldn't be the only exception 

[phantasmas 9,924]

15 hours ago, alsemanche said:

Seems like everyone wants to be Kate Bush these days huh

 

she actually stole this from Delta Work 

learn, ur herstory gurl 

[Ziggy 10,723]

2 hours ago, Future Lovers said:

To stan an artist and be on a website dedicated to an artist who’s so culturally literate, Gaga’s fans really don’t understand anything that isn’t dance pop aimed at white people. 

Not only the illiteracy of genre and culture this website has but the complete lack of desire to learn is so frustrating. If you don’t get a track then maybe take 10 precious minutes out of your day to do some research about where that sound comes from, the history behind it. 

Get out of your radio dance pop bubble every once in awhile. 

I mean not even research but just an open mind. It’s so odd how narrow-minded people can be. And to be clear, when I first heard this I wasn’t *floored. It was a solid song and is best left off the album and released now (if that was how this came to be idk). But I also was a little shocked she came in SO strong bc usually songs for the credits of a movie ain’t like this lmao but then I sat and listened another time with headphones and was like yeah the beat changes are wild. Some lyrics are a bit corny but on the whole it’s a fun af song that’ll be remixed to sh!t in the clubs. Yay. We’d been missing good straight up cúnty music in the club for a while until Renaissance. Yay for more

[HausOfMark 4,164]

Just got back from the movie and it was so amazing and this song also.

[LaLuna 12,732]

I'm sorry but this is... not a good song  

 

[Future Lovers 6,437]

5 hours ago, River said:

I don't think a non queer artist can say much about queer culture, especially black queer culture, since the beginning I felt that this album was more appropriation than appreciation, Bey is not queer, she didn't do much for queers, especially black queers.

I read the lyrics, I do this with every song or album that I listen to, I don't there is much deep in songs like Cuff It or Alien Superstar, even America Has A Problem, despite it's title, it a very shallow song..

I think this is a very arrogant take on the people in the forum.

Most of the people here listens to any genre of music, to many different artists and different songs, from pop dance to hip hop, rock and even classic music.

hip hop and R&B did not start with Beyonce, I can name so many artists with better lyrics and better songs than her through the whole history of these genres. Just an example, Janet's Son of Gun, the album version, is by far a more complex song than any song on Renaissance.

 

Beyonce is actually THE radio friendly R&B singer that white people are willing to listen to

First of all, if she’s done a hell of a lot for black queer people. There’s an entire 20 minute section of her film devoted explicitly to the black queer artists and performers that inspired Renaissance and that were a part of her show. She didn’t take an ounce of credit for the sound or themes, gave all of the credit to them, and let them explain the history and the culture.

This entire era she has been platforming black queer artists. All those credits she got made fun of for were for the black queer artists she featured and sampled. 

Not to mention this IS also her culture. She grew up being exposed to queer black house culture by her Uncle Johnny whom she shouts out within the record. The album is dedicated to him and she has spoken at length about his influence on her life, and she goes even further in the film. 

Second of all, I once more implore you to dig deeper because I’m not so sure you’ve dug deep enough if you think those mentioned songs are shallow and have no meaning when some of them are among the most central thematic pieces of a concept album. 

You can say you don’t get it, that’s fine. But if you don’t get it, that doesn’t mean it’s shallow it just means you don’t get what the songs are talking about and what roles they play in working toward the album’s core themes. Which again is fine, maybe it won’t ever click but its one thing to say you don’t get it and another to say there’s nothing to get. 

And to be quite honest with you, it’s not an arrogant position to point out how this site treats black artists it’s the truth. It’s got a long history with highly questionable discussions to and rejection of black art and culture. It happens a lot, but seeing as Beyonce is so famous it usually attracts even more of that very misinformed dialogue. Just like the original Renaissance threads did. 

You say people are willing to listen to her, yet they’re not willing to let her write about her culture or make music that’s based in genres of her community. They criticize her for it and beg her to go back to pop which whether they mean for it to mean this or not really at its core means go back to making music that’s easier for non-black people to digest. 

Asking her to start making pop music again is literally asking her to stop making music based in the styles of her community. She transitioned from pop into genres that originate or are important to black culture. 

And time and time again, this site and beyond had proven that they’re unwilling to pay an ounce of respect to that, nor are they willing to educate themselves or immerse themselves in that new culture. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Future Lovers

[Roughhouse Dandy 8,360]

46 minutes ago, Future Lovers said:

And to be quite honest with you, it’s not an arrogant position to point out how this site treats black artists it’s the truth. It’s got a long history with highly questionable discussions to and rejection of black art and culture. It happens a lot, but seeing as Beyonce is so famous it usually attracts even more of that very misinformed dialogue. Just like the original Renaissance threads did. 

Go off 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼 Saying the things I've lost the strength to keep bringing up, but it needs to be said until sh*t gets fixed. 

And as for a prominent critique of this song on here..... all I've got to say is for all the twirling and dipping y'all wanna be doing, if this song and Renaissance isn't worthy y'all would not survive being in the ball scene. We're getting top-shelf offerings ready to be turned into a b*tch track or commentated over. 

 

[Nathaniel Arven 1,595]

there's a lot in this song and a lot of energy. 

 

 

 

[ModernEcstasy 8,270]

Loving the vibe of this. It has so much energy.
I wonder if this’ll be the direction that Renaissance 2 will take. 

[TheSine 6,090]

20 minutes ago, ModernEcstasy said:

Loving the vibe of this. It has so much energy.
I wonder if this’ll be the direction that Renaissance 2 will take. 

Agreed! The song isn't as bad as people say it is.  If this played in a club or somethinf it's over.

[Ziggy 10,723]

17 hours ago, River said:

I don't think a non queer artist can say much about queer culture, especially black queer culture, since the beginning I felt that this album was more appropriation than appreciation, Bey is not queer, she didn't do much for queers, especially black queers.

Idk if you’re Black or not but Black queer people have said she’s done a lot for them. Maybe not every single one (bc that’s never gonna happen lol) but many many many do and I think that says enough. Not every artist has to be a Madonna or Gaga to be an ally. Hell, judy garland wasn’t like that and i get it’s an era thing but my point is that queer people don’t need a rainbow flag wearing torch carrier for them to be a hero and icon.

IMO if she did that it would feel weirder bc she’s VERY straight. Never once not ever flirted with anything other than that lol she’s a straight girlie but made Renaissance to essentially do what pop music is designed to do since I’d say basically the late 80s: provide escape for its listeners—especially queer people. I think if she were to tout the work as solely her own it would  verge on appropriation but she’s been VERY VERY vocal that this is celebration of a scene and community (both in who she has collaborated with and in further acknowledgments basically at every chance provided) which A) have supported her throughout her career and B) has been intimately a part of her life via her uncle.

I think intent matters DEEPLY when it comes to appropriation. And while, sure, she’s profiting off of renaissance, she is a commercial artist not an activist lol and so I think if you consider the general parameters that come with that, her impact via Renaissance is huge. IMO if she had made a more generic album with less care and without queer people or mention of queer folk then I think I’d believe your accusation of appropriation more. Like, when Gaga said free woman was for trans women, I’m sorry but I rolled my eyes so hard. Lovely song, love Gaga but *that* felt like a grab and a reach for credit that, frankly, isn’t deserved. Beyoncé isn’t saying she invented queer stuff, she’s doing what she’s done for the past decade which is position herself as something of an archivist and mouthpiece for Black artistic culture and its history. Is *that* earned? Debatable but I think that’s a very important thing to remember when talking about appreciation vs appropriation. She’s aware of her position in the legacy of Black artistic history and she wants to use that position to highlight Black excellence. Over her career she’s found excellence of Black dance music. Lest we forget, dance music has not always been mainstream, especially on her come-up.