Billie Eilish says that men’s bodies aren’t scrutinized “because girls are nice“

[RahrahWitch 6,985]

That's just wrong. Women do get scrutinized much more in general especially famous women but no, people can be horrible and will judge someone based on their body no matter the gender. To say men don't get body shamed is just not true. I really dislike when people try to make a serious issue that effects everyone into a men vs women debate.

[Gorehound 4,442]

It annoys me when these pop stars always feel the need to get political. Like just go back to making cool music pls.

[27monster27 12,299]

  On 11/13/2023 at 10:44 PM, gumzy3000 said:

She has no idea what she is talking about, men are constantly ridiculed for their looks. The only difference is that we have to laugh it off and pretend it doesn't effect us. Wait, actually we have it worse...

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Even if she's wrong to say that we have it worse than women is flat out incorrect.

[Prostitute Barbie 4,076]

Yes exactly that’s why I start to starve myself when I get close to 140 lb. What a load of sheiße. I realize she’s talking from a girls perspective and not a gay one. But it’s still not accurate at all. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,527]

She's obviously speaking from a straight woman's perspective so there's not much point saying that it's different for gays. We already know that, she's talking about how women perceive men. So, in that respect, she's right. There's the occasional woman who has ridiculously high standards but most of us are more focused on men's personality and if he can give us what we want as opposed to how he looks. We're even afraid to be honest about not finding a man attractive in any way for fear of how other women (and the red pill bros and incels) will say: "Don't be mean, he's a sweet guy, who cares if he doesn't have a six pack? He'll be loyal to you!" Which is a fair enough take but I notice that men aren't as afraid to just be upfront about how they really feel about a woman's appearance without being dragged by other men for turning her down. Most women value what a man will give them (stability/fidelity/comfortable lifestyle/marriage/children) as opposed to how he looks, so we're willing to overlook beer bellies, shortness, baldness, etc. as long as he's in our age bracket (and some women are willing to be lax on that one too). The whole hot woman/average guy couple trope is a stereotype for a reason. Women still feel they have to look good for their man even when they've locked him down for fear he'll cheat on them otherwise whereas once a man has locked a woman down, he's more likely to let himself go. And still cheat. And men will tell you women are more likely to let themselves go and even if it is 50/50, the difference is, those women know they've let themselves go whereas the men don't seem to even notice. I think it's partly because famous men can get away with not being attractive if they're talented but an unattractive famous woman is very rare because it's very hard to make it if you're not above average looking no matter how talented she is. So if men see other men getting somewhere in life and getting hot women regardless of how he looks, he's more likely to think he doesn't need to try either.

  On 11/13/2023 at 7:26 PM, Jester said:

Meanwhile girls won't date a guy if he's less than 6 feet tall

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  On 11/14/2023 at 6:03 AM, SevenWonder said:

Women are brutal about men's heights. That I know for sure. I'm tallish (6'2") and every straight guy I know tells me all the time they'd do anything to have my height. 

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I really don't know where this idea comes from. Do women actually voice this? Because it seems more like an insecurity men have that is largely unfounded than something women actually value. I've only ever seen women in street interviews online ever state height as a major factor but actual women in day to day life don't even have that on their radar. Because the average guy is taller than the average women, it's sometimes a given for us that a man will be taller so it's something most of us don't even think about. I don't think I've ever seen a man shorter than me in my adult life. That's why if you get set up on a blind date and a short man appears, there's a sense of surprise because we're thinking "It didn't even enter my mind that he could be shorter than me." Rest assured most of us don't care. I like to think with the whole "short king" buzzword, views are changing and more men in Hollywood are dating women taller than them now. Ask all the famous men who dated catwalk models who wear heels. 

[SevenWonder 4,208]

  On 11/14/2023 at 8:27 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

She's obviously speaking from a straight woman's perspective so there's not much point saying that it's different for gays. We already know that, she's talking about how women perceive men. So, in that respect, she's right. There's the occasional woman who has ridiculously high standards but most of us are more focused on men's personality and if he can give us what we want as opposed to how he looks. We're even afraid to be honest about not finding a man attractive in any way for fear of how other women (and the red pill bros and incels) will say: "Don't be mean, he's a sweet guy, who cares if he doesn't have a six pack? He'll be loyal to you!" Which is a fair enough take but I notice that men aren't as afraid to just be upfront about how they really feel about a woman's appearance without being dragged by other men for turning her down. Most women value what a man will give them (stability/fidelity/comfortable lifestyle/marriage/children) as opposed to how he looks, so we're willing to overlook beer bellies, shortness, baldness, etc. as long as he's in our age bracket (and some women are willing to be lax on that one too). The whole hot woman/average guy couple trope is a stereotype for a reason. Women still feel they have to look good for their man even when they've locked him down for fear he'll cheat on them otherwise whereas once a man has locked a woman down, he's more likely to let himself go. And still cheat. And men will tell you women are more likely to let themselves go and even if it is 50/50, the difference is, those women know they've let themselves go whereas the men don't seem to even notice. I think it's partly because famous men can get away with not being attractive if they're talented but an unattractive famous woman is very rare because it's very hard to make it if you're not above average looking no matter how talented she is. So if men see other men getting somewhere in life and getting hot women regardless of how he looks, he's more likely to think he doesn't need to try either.

I really don't know where this idea comes from. Do women actually voice this? Because it seems more like an insecurity men have that is largely unfounded than something women actually value. I've only ever seen women in street interviews online ever state height as a major factor but actual women in day to day life don't even have that on their radar. Because the average guy is taller than the average women, it's sometimes a given for us that a man will be taller so it's something most of us don't even think about. I don't think I've ever seen a man shorter than me in my adult life. That's why if you get set up on a blind date and a short man appears, there's a sense of surprise because we're thinking "It didn't even enter my mind that he could be shorter than me." Rest assured most of us don't care. I like to think with the whole "short king" buzzword, views are changing and more men in Hollywood are dating women taller than them now. Ask all the famous men who dated catwalk models who wear heels. 

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I'm a gay guy, so my experience is just what others tell me. But I've heard my straight female friends flat out mock shorter guys. In a very similar way a straight guy might mock a slightly heavier girl. 

And all my straight male friends say height is the one thing they could change if they could. Because of how women have made them feel if they aren't 6'0" (or whatever the imaginary cutoff is). Again, I just have to take them at their word, as height doesn't seem to be much of an issue in the gay world. 

Of course, not every woman cares about height. Just like not every straight guy cares about weight. But it's definitely a thing. Or it sure seems like it is. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,527]

  On 11/14/2023 at 8:34 PM, SevenWonder said:

I'm a gay guy, so my experience is just what others tell me. But I've heard my straight female friends flat out mock shorter guys. In a very similar way a straight guy might mock a slightly heavier girl. 

And all my straight male friends say height is the one thing they could change if they could. Because of how women have made them feel if they aren't 6'0" (or whatever the imaginary cutoff is). Again, I just have to take them at their word, as height doesn't seem to be much of an issue in the gay world. 

Of course, not every woman cares about height. Just like not every straight guy cares about weight. But it's definitely a thing. Or it sure seems like it is. 

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I sometimes think it's an American thing. I've literally never heard any woman in the UK laugh about short men or have even brought up the subject. But in American media, it seems to be a major talking point. There was even a guy who artificially increased his height with a painful operation and he wasn't even that short. It's just bizarre and it's like a completely alien thing to most of us. The only thing that would potentially put me off is that I'd like a man to be dominant if you know what I mean and it's kinda difficult for that to come across successfully if he's shorter (for the record, it's the exact same for a dominant woman who's shorter as well). But you know, if he ticks every other box, I could live with it.

[SevenWonder 4,208]

  On 11/14/2023 at 8:45 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

I sometimes think it's an American thing. I've literally never heard any woman in the UK laugh about short men or have even brought up the subject. But in American media, it seems to be a major talking point. There was even a guy who artificially increased his height with a painful operation and he wasn't even that short. It's just bizarre and it's like a completely alien thing to most of us. The only thing that would potentially put me off is that I'd like a man to be dominant if you know what I mean and it's kinda difficult for that to come across successfully if he's shorter (for the record, it's the exact same for a dominant woman who's shorter as well). But you know, if he ticks every other box, I could live with it.

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It very well could be an American thing. Good point.

[Emvee 8,031]

Women are more discrete about their judgement. They generally don’t outright bully about appearances if unprovoked, but they definitely have preferences. Let’s not take away their agency now. But if you piss a girl off, it’s guaranteed the truth comes out lol
 

I have overweight female friends who don’t date overweight men. Especially short overweight men. In fact, I would say that the fat woman/skinny man couple is pretty common. 

[Nirvana 2,700]

It's just her experience as a young woman in a predatory industry... I remember men commenting on Billie's body back then, so gross... I don't think she's trying to diminish mens experiences, toxic masculinity is real and I know girls can indeed be mean too, yes behind your back. I think that it's kinda just different kind of scrutinity. Random men just have had the nerve to comment unprovoked my body as well, it feels like all you are just for public consumption and all you are is your looks, weight etc. Nowadays I don't really care as much as I used to, but those comments about looks really kill you especially when a teen/young adult.