Billie Eilish says that men’s bodies aren’t scrutinized “because girls are nice“

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Oh honey... Girls may be nice, but gays are a whole different topic.

Also, I'm gonna call BS because I've heard and been part of several conversations with women that point to the contrary (and let's be honest, women are the ones that criticize other women the most). On a society level though, there's some truth to it. 

Then again, the "perfect male body" pushed by industires is still unhealthy to a deegree, but our machist societies taught men to supress their feelings so there's no talk about that.

That even impacts the diagnosis of body image related issues, such as eating disorders: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6785984/

some excerpts I found interesting:

"As briefly mentioned earlier, the male body ideal typically features a dual focus on a drive for both muscularity and leanness (ie, low body fat). This distinct male ideal offers unique consequences for patterns in ED behaviors and attitudes. For instance, males may be motivated to pursue rigid eating or exercise routines, as well as the use of appearance-enhancing or performance-enhancing drugs (eg, anabolic steroids) to achieve a muscular body idea. Males also endorse a drive for thinness (as females might also report a desire for muscularity) but among males, muscular-oriented disordered eating is considerably more common"

"Although much of the empirical evidence for these practices is nascent, up to 60% of all boys in the United States report purposefully manipulating their diet in striving for greater muscularity, suggesting salient links between muscularity orientation and ED pathology."

"Over several decades, evidence has accumulated in support of an association between sexual orientation and ED symptoms in adults, particularly in men, and in adolescent males. In examination of trends over time in eating pathology among adolescent sexual minority subgroups, although notably improved compared with sexual minority females, males continue to report higher prevalence of purging, using diet pills, and fasting to lose weight compared with their heterosexual counterparts."

"Moving both within and beyond a long history whereby men are consistently marginalized in screening, treatment, and research of EDs, there are several areas that receive the greatest impact from the traditionally held female-centric ED framework. One of these domains is treatment seeking, or what some have referred to as “help seeking.” Lack of insight, denial, shame, and secrecy are all factors that have an impact on willingness to seek treatment of EDs across the sexes. However, this influence may be greater among males, given perceived stigma associated with disclosure of mental health issues."

" Particularly as epidemiologic studies indicate that EDs among males are advancing equally or perhaps even more quickly than among females, it is essential that the thinness-oriented body image characteristic of a traditional ED framework be re-evaluated and adjusted."

[bionic 43,732]

Hmm I agree that men are given more lenience when it comes to body standards but there are still a lot of body expectations for men and men are definitely criticized for their bodies

[NCgaga 4,314]

The gay male body standard is just as bad as a woman’s, if not worse. T

[Jester 6,287]

Meanwhile girls won't date a guy if he's less than 6 feet tall

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12 minutes ago, Lukas96 said:

Oh honey... Girls may be nice, but gays are a whole different topic.

Also, I'm gonna call BS because I've heard and been part of several conversations with women that point to the contrary. On a society level though, there's some truth to it. 

Then again, the "perfect male body" pushed by industires is still unhealthy to a deegree, but our machist societies taught men to supress their feelings so there's no talk about that.

That even impacts the diagnosis of body image related issues, such as eating disorders: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6785984/

some excerpts I found interesting:

"As briefly mentioned earlier, the male body ideal typically features a dual focus on a drive for both muscularity and leanness (ie, low body fat). This distinct male ideal offers unique consequences for patterns in ED behaviors and attitudes. For instance, males may be motivated to pursue rigid eating or exercise routines, as well as the use of appearance-enhancing or performance-enhancing drugs (eg, anabolic steroids) to achieve a muscular body idea. Males also endorse a drive for thinness (as females might also report a desire for muscularity) but among males, muscular-oriented disordered eating is considerably more common"

"Although much of the empirical evidence for these practices is nascent, up to 60% of all boys in the United States report purposefully manipulating their diet in striving for greater muscularity, suggesting salient links between muscularity orientation and ED pathology."

"Over several decades, evidence has accumulated in support of an association between sexual orientation and ED symptoms in adults, particularly in men, and in adolescent males. In examination of trends over time in eating pathology among adolescent sexual minority subgroups, although notably improved compared with sexual minority females, males continue to report higher prevalence of purging, using diet pills, and fasting to lose weight compared with their heterosexual counterparts."

"Moving both within and beyond a long history whereby men are consistently marginalized in screening, treatment, and research of EDs, there are several areas that receive the greatest impact from the traditionally held female-centric ED framework. One of these domains is treatment seeking, or what some have referred to as “help seeking.” Lack of insight, denial, shame, and secrecy are all factors that have an impact on willingness to seek treatment of EDs across the sexes. However, this influence may be greater among males, given perceived stigma associated with disclosure of mental health issues."

" Particularly as epidemiologic studies indicate that EDs among males are advancing equally or perhaps even more quickly than among females, it is essential that the thinness-oriented body image characteristic of a traditional ED framework be re-evaluated and adjusted."

This.

Gay men put ourselves to shame over our bodies 

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Just now, Jester said:

Meanwhile girls won't date a date if he's less than 6 feet tall

Oh but this too. Women won’t date men shorter then them but on the contrary lots of men won’t date women taller than them so it’s kinda a two way street I guess but 

[LittleMonster20 9,788]

She’s 100% right. Men don’t have to be attractive to be treated humanely in society.

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2 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said:

She’s 100% right. Men don’t have to be attractive to be treated humanely in society.

What about gay society? 

[NewYorkGirl 1,303]

That’s just not true lol

[weed 71,417]

Disagree, Billie. I would say there is more explicit/spoken pressure on women, for sure.

[LittleMonster20 9,788]

5 minutes ago, Roronoa said:

What about gay society? 

I’m not sure how that’s different, assuming this is how attractiveness affects people in society in general, not just in the relationships aspect.

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Hey Billie, try telling that to male clients of mine who have dealt with severe body dysmorphia?

I’m really so tired of this continuous narrative that in order to highlight someone else’s struggles, we have to completely disregard another group or invent a reality where it ‘never happens’.

People, in general, go through varying degrees of this every single day. Can we please stop this constant ‘us versus them’ game with every single issue.  

[Lucas 24,456]

Billie's wrong

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24 minutes ago, bionic said:

Hmm I agree that men are given more lenience when it comes to body standards but there are still a lot of body expectations for men and men are definitely criticized for their bodies

 

That criticism usually comes from other men though. And even when it comes from women, it's rooted in expectations men created and reinforced for themselves with our current time specifically being influenced by the 80s. 

 

Lots of people are reading this really weirdly. She says "girls" - not society. Men can have body issues too. But men have to acknowledge and realize the hurt and shame that they have caused themselves.