The Eras Tour film crossed $100 million advance tickets

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On 10/6/2023 at 2:05 AM, Economy said:

At this rate shes gonna surpass Madonna as the biggest female artist of all time (at least commercially speaking)

mmmhhh ..... no

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2 hours ago, agentprovocate said:

mmmhhh ..... no

Never say never

 

Tho at the end of the day well never be able to compate apples to apples cuz sales vs streaming

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On 10/5/2023 at 5:23 PM, weed said:

That's at least 5M people!!!!! $20 a ticket, cheaper for kids and elderly. Soooo fking GAGGED! Her power is.. unmatched. This might be so weird but I would love to see Michael's reaction to her success. I feel like only he could relate.

How dare you

But as an MJ stan I can say he'd probably be pretty unimpressed

There were private notes auctioned off a few years after his death where he was actively annoyed with white legends being looked up to as much as they were. He wanted people to stop worshipping the likes of Elvis and Bruce Springsteen and he wanted them to celebrate black excellence instead.

It sounds egotistical (and maybe it is a bit) but he wanted to be that black icon everyone looked up to. He saw his legend status as a black music legend as bigger than him as a person, I guess you could say.

Actually, lemme just find the note

I forgot about the part written in red omg Mikey why

But yeah, he'd probably roll his eyes at Taylor being yet another white icon who's hugely successful despite doing little that can be considered innovative, interesting, or better than black icons. Her name would go right beside Elvis, Bruce, and the Beatles, methinks 

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11 minutes ago, PartySick said:

How dare you

But as an MJ stan I can say he'd probably be pretty unimpressed

There were private notes auctioned off a few years after his death where he was actively annoyed with white legends being looked up to as much as they were. He wanted people to stop worshipping the likes of Elvis and Bruce Springsteen and he wanted them to celebrate black excellence instead.

It sounds egotistical (and maybe it is a bit) but he wanted to be that black icon everyone looked up to. He saw his legend status as a black music legend as bigger than him as a person, I guess you could say.

Actually, lemme just find the note

I forgot about the part written in red omg Mikey why

But yeah, he'd probably roll his eyes at Taylor being yet another white icon who's hugely successful despite doing little that can be considered innovative, interesting, or better than black icons. Her name would go right beside Elvis, Bruce, and the Beatles, methinks 

omg the red addition.... s;fbd;diofzbgdi;uzfbgdilufgbdliufxgb I am shook. 

but yes I can see your perspective. I am a fan but with very minimal knowledge on his actual personality, etc. I didn't think he'd be impressed with her content/body of work, but impressed with her power and success, her hold on the public. I guess she is very comparable to Elvis, The Beatles, etc.

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3 minutes ago, weed said:

omg the red addition.... s;fbd;diofzbgdi;uzfbgdilufgbdliufxgb I am shook. 

but yes I can see your perspective. I am a fan but with very minimal knowledge on his actual personality, etc. I didn't think he'd be impressed with her content/body of work, but impressed with her power and success, her hold on the public. I guess she is very comparable to Elvis, The Beatles, etc.

I think (hope ) that he meant black artists aren't considered conventionally beautiful by the white media's standards...but also, Prince (his son) revealed that vitiligo wasn't the only reason he bleached his skin. He wanted to "glow under the light" or something...

He was an odd man

I love him to pieces, genuinely obsessed actually, but dude was weird

He'd definitely clap for her at award shows but that might be the best she'd get from him. He was more interested in white artists of Gaga's calibre. He called her a genius when he heard Poker Face

He'd definitely be in Beyonce's corner, as well as other prominent black artists today.

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6 hours ago, gagasmalyan said:

This is so so so wrong i cant even begin to explain why lol. 

I just checked the german and polish theater websites and all were decently sold (like ~75%) on the first day, taking into account that there's still almost a week left for the movie and people also buy tickets on the day of the screening, that is fantastic. 

regarding album sales, you could not be more wrong. compare to gaga's peak or 25s worldwide album sales 1 year after their release and midnights is catching up EASILY. 
For comparison, as you did to 30, midnights has already surpassed 10 million in global units while 30, a 2 year old album still hasn't. 

Not only taylor's commercial peak is higher (because she has the biggest EAS year for any artist this year with ~ 50m in 2023, which is some people's entire career sales) her peak is has legs for longevity too. 
this isn't some newly rising star that people will get tired of next year. the moves she is doing past 2019 are cementing her as one of the greatest and biggest ever in history. 
she is on the biggest tour in history that'ss et to gross over $2 billion in gross revenue, the tour movie will also gross at $150 million. 

while these artists you mentioned had their peaks with singular albums/era, her entire catalogue is smashing right now, pushing her total sales to surpass so many iconinc womena nd eventually madonna to and become the highgest seeling woman ever. 

your hatred of her and her success is so transparent. you  glued bunch of unverified and false information together to try to convince people on this forum that she is not as succesfull without realizing every single thing you said could be verified and checked. 

she is the biggest thing right now and is as big as michael or the beatless used to be, you like it or not. 

OMG, what a ton of bullsh!t.

30's sales outside of the US are on par with Midnights. The Fame didn't have streaming when it was peaking so its units from chart data can't be used here. You think if we traced how many people listened to The Fame at home from 2008-2011 that the album wouldn't have had higher units? Midnights as well as every other album released nowadays has both the purchases of its physical copies as well as how many times the album is listened to at home counted towards its overall sales as well as its chart points. 

The Fame did not only sell well but it spun multiple smash hits at the same time. 25 broke sales records around the world and has the biggest first week sales in US history and all of the happened while her lead single was #1 on the charts as well with record-breaking digital sales. 

But regardless. In Germany and Poland The Fame and 25 are DIAMOND ALBUMS (25 being 2x diamond in Poland), Midnights is Platinum both places so it has a looooong way to go. 

The movie did not break any pre-sale records in Germany and Poland either (as with most of Europe). This "entire discography charting" is based on people listening to her discography at home, something that couldn't have been traced pre-streaming era therefore you CANNOT claim that means anything. You don't know how many Madonna albums would've been charting at the same time if how many times fans listened to her music at home counted towards charts back in the 80s and 90s.

One thing you simply cannot argue with is the public's interest. You can easily find out that the public's interest to know something about Taylor is NOT as big as it was for Gaga and Adele, therefore completely obliterating your claim that she's "as big as Michael".

Google clearly shows you how people wanted to know more about since the start of each of their careers:

https://ibb.co/HdN60c5

Now argue with that lol. 

 

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11 minutes ago, jaXXXon said:

she's "as big as Michael".

Nobody is now or likely will ever be as big as MJ. It's not even a debate 'cause it's not even close 

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miss swift strikes again

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6 hours ago, gagasmalyan said:

she is the biggest thing right now and is as big as michael or the beatless used to be, you like it or not. 

Gonna have to offer a hard disagree on that

She's popular but that's not the only thing artists like MJ or the Beatles had. Besides smashing sales records (and even holding a lot of them to this day), they influenced all of their peers and the artists that came after them.

Like, it would be incredibly difficult to find a single pop artist alive that doesn't reference or borrow something from MJ, either directly or simply because his pure impact is so pervasive in pop culture that everything from the music video to the superbowl halftime show to live concerts and performances to men's fashion were all revolutionized by him.

Taylor doesn't have that impact and unless she makes herself real interesting real quick, she'll go down in history with nothing more than a dollar sign next to her name.

Which is fine! Stan ha! I admire her business moves and how she's taken control of her own work but I personally don't think she'll ever be the influential icon her stans seem to believe she is. She's just not icon material like the likes of MJ, Madonna, the Beatles, even people like Gaga or Beyoncé. She's not changing the game or revolutionizing the industry. She's a vast but shallow ocean.

In 100 years, people will still say they were inspired by those artists. Be it Beyoncé's pride and black excellence, Madonna's sexual liberation, Gaga's style, multifaceted talents, and artistic integrity, or MJ's...EVERYTHING. But I doubt Taylor's name comes up at all

I'll be happy to be proven wrong though  but to this day, everything she does bores me to tears and she exists in her own (admittedly big) two dimensional bubble.

 

 

 

 

There's a lesson to be had here. Don't mention MJ unless you want me to rant

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4 hours ago, PartySick said:

Nobody is now or likely will ever be as big as MJ. It's not even a debate 'cause it's not even close 

Very true.

People saying swift or Beyoncé are the new Michael Jackson in term of success/ impact genuinely don't realize how huge his peak was.

Yes they're really huge too ofc but there's still a gap.

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13 hours ago, agentprovocate said:

mmmhhh ..... no

I mean she’s in the over 200m club. All she gotta do is pass Rihanna and Mariah and then boom she’s next to Madonna at the 300m. This could definitely happen 

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9 hours ago, ProfessionalClown said:

I mean she’s in the over 200m club. All she gotta do is pass Rihanna and Mariah and then boom she’s next to Madonna at the 300m. This could definitely happen 

How much is Mister Celine Dion at? I think they ar ealso in the 200M club no? 

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20 hours ago, PartySick said:

Gonna have to offer a hard disagree on that

She's popular but that's not the only thing artists like MJ or the Beatles had. Besides smashing sales records (and even holding a lot of them to this day), they influenced all of their peers and the artists that came after them.

Like, it would be incredibly difficult to find a single pop artist alive that doesn't reference or borrow something from MJ, either directly or simply because his pure impact is so pervasive in pop culture that everything from the music video to the superbowl halftime show to live concerts and performances to men's fashion were all revolutionized by him.

Taylor doesn't have that impact and unless she makes herself real interesting real quick, she'll go down in history with nothing more than a dollar sign next to her name.

Which is fine! Stan ha! I admire her business moves and how she's taken control of her own work but I personally don't think she'll ever be the influential icon her stans seem to believe she is. She's just not icon material like the likes of MJ, Madonna, the Beatles, even people like Gaga or Beyoncé. She's not changing the game or revolutionizing the industry. She's a vast but shallow ocean.

In 100 years, people will still say they were inspired by those artists. Be it Beyoncé's pride and black excellence, Madonna's sexual liberation, Gaga's style, multifaceted talents, and artistic integrity, or MJ's...EVERYTHING. But I doubt Taylor's name comes up at all

I'll be happy to be proven wrong though  but to this day, everything she does bores me to tears and she exists in her own (admittedly big) two dimensional bubble.

 

 

 

 

There's a lesson to be had here. Don't mention MJ unless you want me to rant

There's literally no discussion. They lose the minute they begin. Taylor does not have an era as big as Adele's 25, she doesn't have an album as big as Thriller, a song as big as Poker Face, the record Gaga has of consecutive Top 10 singles on the Hot 100, she doesn't have the biggest first week in history, she doesn't have the biggest first week for a song in history, she doesn't have more #1s than Rihanna and she's never even had the same public interest as Adele and Gaga, according to Google which is the most accurate way to judge the interest of the GP.

And yet they say she's the biggest artist of them all and on par with Michael Jackson? They need and should be put in their place anytime they say stupid sh!t like that. 

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12 hours ago, ProfessionalClown said:

I mean she’s in the over 200m club. All she gotta do is pass Rihanna and Mariah and then boom she’s next to Madonna at the 300m. This could definitely happen 

Madonna is at 300 million because of individual purchases of her albums and singles, while Taylor is at 200 million because of individual purchases and then the number of times those purchases were listened to at home. How is that even remotely the same. 

Anyone who lives outside of Anglospehere, the Philippines and China, basically all of Europe, Latin America and Japan can definitely tell you her stats and peak isn't as big as Gaga and Adele's were. 

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16 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Very true.

People saying swift or Beyoncé are the new Michael Jackson in term of success/ impact genuinely don't realize how huge his peak was.

Yes they're really huge too ofc but there's still a gap.

Now you're talking peaks and that's correct. To measure someone's domination is to measure the peak of their career, which is what Swifties also use when talking about Taylor. 

Beyoncé has never had a gigantic commercial peak. Adele, Gaga, Britney and Taylor had/have one but Taylor is is behind the first three worldwide. To claim otherwise is uneducated.