faysalaaa 3,105 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, pussycat said: So when you say feminists should invite Trump supporters to the table, I wonder how you think that’s possible? Trump himself said he’s not a feminist, he told Piers Morgan (a British journalist) that being a feminist would be going too far for him. So if you are on board with Trumps beliefs and you stand for the same things he does it means you think the same; that feminism is going too far. And if that is the case, why would you expect an invitation? It’s like inviting someone that bullies you to your home - you would never. Yes these are exactly the people we should accept, as thats the point of activism. Activism is about inviting the bullies and changing their opinions. Its not about inviting people who believe what you believe and clap for each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healed My Heart 39,510 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: most women agree with me She/her 💗💜💙 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 6,877 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just now, faysalaaa1 said: Feminism should have ethics when it comes to equality of the sexes, considering its a movement about equality. But you cant start purity test everyone that wants to join and expect them to be perfect! The point of activism is reaching as much people as you can, specially people who have horrible views. But you are literally saying Feminism should include political stances that are in direct conflict with the equality of the sexes. The point of activism is not to include people with contradictory views to your own - that literally achieves nothing. You've not changed anything. The point of activism is to seek change - which means changing those people's views. Pro-life isn't compatible with feminism as it enables state control over certain people's bodies that others do not face. Trump is a rapist. Rape is bad. Feminism opposes rape. You can't have equality of the sexes by enabling and supporting rapists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 3,105 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Healed My Heart said: You just admitted that they do because they have internalized misogyny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussycat 3,513 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: Activism is about inviting the bullies and changing their opinions. Exactly. People like Trump supporters (I’m just continuing on your example) are part of the problem that feminism is trying to solve; so it’s important for them to realize that. Only when they do, it is possible to move together to a solution. Trump is just an example but the same is applicable to other examples too. You can only move together to a solution when you are all on board for the same thing, and that sometimes takes work. That’s also what people mean by educate yourself; reflect on your behaviour. Realize your position vs others’. Realize your mistakes, solve them and move together. Introspection is a gift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123321 73 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said: If I say im a Feminist, its not enough today, you have to also believe in everything else Leftist believe. If you want Feminism to be supported by everyone, you have to allow different kind of people to join, even if they have horrible beliefs like supporting Trump or are pro life. Im a very conservative person and I know for sure I would never be accepted in a Feminist environment even though I agree with them and I dont have extreme ideas. This is not a critique of Feminism only, but mostly activist environments on the left and right. I think pushing for equality outside of activist movement is more effective. feminism is not a facebook group, no one can invite you in and no one can throw you out. if you want to call yourself a feminist and support trump or be pro-life, you do you, but expect others to criticize you and look at you like you're crazy. not because your views are different and we don't accept that, but because those things contradict each other. saying you support women's rights, but Trump who talked on and on how horrible women are is a great guy is just dumb, neither different or against the mainstream way of thinking, just idiotic. just like saying you are pro-gay, but conversion camps are not that bad or that asylum treatments can be effective. and i'm sure you would came to the same conclusion if took at least 2 seconds of your time to question the things you are saying. being mean and nasty to you is useless, because it won't open you up more, quite the opposite, but let's just say that you show no skill of critical thinking and it's really frustrating to read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123321 73 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said: I think pushing for equality outside of activist movement is more effective. lastly, can you tell me how is it more effective? In a world where nothing changes unless people come together and start to work with each other, how are you effectively want to end or at least slightly change worldwide systematic oppression without a movement behind you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batwings 12,847 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 15 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said: Its because you view Feminism as the definition of equality of the sexes, when in reality its just a Leftist political movement and ideology. If you ask women who dont identify as Feminist if they believe in equality, they will say yes. Why does it matter if someone supports equality through Feminism or another label? We can always count on you to have the shittiest takes on GGD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 146,612 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Instead of WPs we're just gonna start sending these shirts to some of y'all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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