Kim Petras sings Heavy Metal Lover and Marry The Night on Song Association

[Guillaume Hamon 6,027]

1 minute ago, Dayman said:

You’re kidding right? You think that was fair? R Kelly literally was on video urinating on a minor. This was a well known public fact and was a MAJOR news story when it happened. It wasn’t a rumor. 

I know about the video, the trial I talked about was over him knowing the girl on this tape was a minor or not and he wasn't condemned.

I never said it was "a rumor", I said Gaga trusted him meaning trusting him not willingly doing it with a minor. I know the tape was well known ofc.

3 minutes ago, Dayman said:

Not to mention he got married to Aayliah while she was a minor. That’s 2 events that are indisputable and we’re public knowledge. So get out of here with operating on “innocent until proven guilty”. 

Aaliyah denied it and back then I only remember some gossip medias having discussed it many years prior to Gaga's Collab with him.

Now maybe serious medias had proven it already when Gaga worked with him ( if you can tell me the articles please ) but I doubt Gaga worked with him knowing/ believing he married a minor.

Actually she was even giving itws during DWUW promo' saying the song was about medias lying and saying her and Kelly had lies printed about them like a way to say it made sense to have him as a feat... She really followed the justice imo there.

15 minutes ago, Dayman said:

Point blank though, blame the men who committed the acts. Don’t blame women for being in contact with them,

You say it as if thinking folks shouldn't work with him mean we stop blaming him but it's not the case.

Tbh she wasn't just "in contact with him" since she also made comments about it that were ugly for Kesha. She wasn't forced to do so.

32 minutes ago, Dayman said:

because quite frankly it’s never that simple - especially in entertainment industry.

Doja got similar questions over Luke collabs and she implied she had been strucked in a contract + didn't say a word about the Kesha situation. It was absolutely possible in the entertainment industry, even as an artist signed to him, to not be nasty towards Kesha.

[Controversiaga 9,475]

7 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Gaga worked with Kelly after the investigations/ trials led to him not being condemned for anything. She applied the " innocent till proven guilty" rule and I think it was actually fair of her cause if we don't apply this rule a rumor can kill an innocent.

Luke was proven to be, at least, mentally abusive before Kim worked with him and she then made comments that seemed to be pro-Luke while being told about the polemic when she doesn't know what happened neither.

Just to say I don't believe the comparison is fair ( for Gaga ) between chosing to trust justice and one who knows there's at least some truth in all the accusations yet dgaf.

Okay I won’t talk about Gaga.

however, as far as I’m concerned, Luke was never legally proven guilty of any type of abuse, mentally or physically.  So to believe whatever you want to believe and act like it is facts is wrong and unfair. 

[Joshie S 5,872]

i didnt realise GGD was full of abuse supporters.

sad.

[Controversiaga 9,475]

1 minute ago, Joshie S said:

i didnt realise GGD was full of abuse supporters.

sad.

[Dayman 5,989]

2 minutes ago, Joshie S said:

i didnt realise GGD was full of abuse supporters.

sad.

Long post warning, but please hear me out. We are truly outsiders to the industry and have to keep that in mind in where we direct our energy when it comes to abuse.
 

   There is a tendency to go towards oversimplification. The industry is full of abusers some we know publicly but large majority we don’t even have a hint of who they are. Artists always are the ones on the short end of business deals because at the end of the day they are the product being sold. That’s what makes them a target for abuse and also why a lot of them end up in situations that are guided by higher level decisions than their personal feelings.

   There is room to believe artists who speak publicly like Kesha and support them. But it doesn’t have to come at the cost of attacking and blaming other artists who have working relationships with people in these higher authorities. We are given PR sound bites to best manage the situations which is why I’m 2013 we had Gaga having to make up a reason she was working with R Kelly even though it was obvious she wasn’t comfortable with it at the time and has since released a statement about it after years of people attacking her.

   Kim was asked about Dr Luke being an abuser while on a red carpet while she was still green with little PR training and did her best to dodge the question with “I wouldn’t work with someone I think is an abuser” thinking that was the best way to avoid answering and getting involved. But instead it has been the only source of discussion for years when it comes to her. And the absolute wear that has had on her is why she tweeted she has “Nothing to apologize for.” 
 

   Luke isn’t someone people get away with speaking negatively about. He made an example of Kesha with that and even when Doja slips and tries to allude to anything she gets in trouble and has to retract or make a follow up - and she is a much more important artist than Kim. We do not know what Kim’s situation or circumstances are. But what we do know is Luke has evidence against him of repeatedly controlling artists that have deals with him and constantly mistreating female artists especially. This isn’t to say Kim is guaranteed a victim as well of his manipulation - but it is to say she deserves the benefit of the doubt given the history we know for a fact regarding him and regarding what artists in the industry go through. 
 

It’s not a matter of stanning or who you’re a fan of it’s a matter of directing the energy towards Luke and those ABOVE Luke not those lower. It’s the equivalent of screaming at a retail worker for the decisions of their jobs CEO or manager. They are punching bags for the public perception and it’s not fair, we don’t need to support every artist or even like them, But we don’t need to hold anger or malice towards them either when we can never know what’s going on behind the scenes.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,027]

3 hours ago, Controversiaga said:

However, as far as I’m concerned, Luke was never legally proven guilty of any type of abuse, mentally or physically.  So to believe whatever you want to believe and act like it is facts is wrong and unfair. 

I only mentioned the mental abuse and Kesha released the emails he sent to her and some were clearly done to shame her, make her feel bad/ guilty. He confirmed it was from him so we know it's not fakes. I don't need a condemnation to call it mentally abusive when the proofs were shown.

On top of that, Kelly Clarkson who worked with him also called him demeaning and a bully while Pink said she had stopped working with him cause he wasn't a good person and insisted on this point...

[ALGAYDO 30,342]

3 hours ago, Joshie S said:

i didnt realise GGD was full of abuse supporters.

sad.

As long as bops are made, a lot of people don’t give a F about who made it. Kim could literally come out and say “yes I know he abused Kesha and other artists, he confessed it to me himself, but I don’t care” and her fans would still bop to her. Not just Kim fans but pretty much fans of any artist/celeb couldn’t care less about anything problematic their fave does/did. Just look at all the swifties defending Taylor for dating a known racist/misogynistic man. Or look at all of Kanye’s fans still supporting him after outing himself as a neo nazi. Or how people still love Woody Allen. There’s hundreds of examples  

[Joshie S 5,872]

19 hours ago, Controversiaga said:

Y’all r allowed to create a Keshadaily forum if you love her as much as you claim you do .

same could be said to you?? go create a k*msupporterofabusersdaily if you feel so strongly to post about her here??? lol? 

[Kim Petrus 304]

17 hours ago, holy scheisse said:

Anyway, missed opportunity for her to sing joanne on the one word she missed  

She probably didn’t enjoy this era that much. Too indie for her 

[Ceres 3,205]

I read everyone’s diaries, and despite our differences, i know we all truly love each other. #kindnesspunk 

[Guest]

Fun video from Kim, funner comments from GGD-ers. 

[Noah X 5,250]

13 hours ago, Dayman said:

Long post warning, but please hear me out. We are truly outsiders to the industry and have to keep that in mind in where we direct our energy when it comes to abuse.
 

   There is a tendency to go towards oversimplification. The industry is full of abusers some we know publicly but large majority we don’t even have a hint of who they are. Artists always are the ones on the short end of business deals because at the end of the day they are the product being sold. That’s what makes them a target for abuse and also why a lot of them end up in situations that are guided by higher level decisions than their personal feelings.

   There is room to believe artists who speak publicly like Kesha and support them. But it doesn’t have to come at the cost of attacking and blaming other artists who have working relationships with people in these higher authorities. We are given PR sound bites to best manage the situations which is why I’m 2013 we had Gaga having to make up a reason she was working with R Kelly even though it was obvious she wasn’t comfortable with it at the time and has since released a statement about it after years of people attacking her.

   Kim was asked about Dr Luke being an abuser while on a red carpet while she was still green with little PR training and did her best to dodge the question with “I wouldn’t work with someone I think is an abuser” thinking that was the best way to avoid answering and getting involved. But instead it has been the only source of discussion for years when it comes to her. And the absolute wear that has had on her is why she tweeted she has “Nothing to apologize for.” 
 

   Luke isn’t someone people get away with speaking negatively about. He made an example of Kesha with that and even when Doja slips and tries to allude to anything she gets in trouble and has to retract or make a follow up - and she is a much more important artist than Kim. We do not know what Kim’s situation or circumstances are. But what we do know is Luke has evidence against him of repeatedly controlling artists that have deals with him and constantly mistreating female artists especially. This isn’t to say Kim is guaranteed a victim as well of his manipulation - but it is to say she deserves the benefit of the doubt given the history we know for a fact regarding him and regarding what artists in the industry go through. 
 

It’s not a matter of stanning or who you’re a fan of it’s a matter of directing the energy towards Luke and those ABOVE Luke not those lower. It’s the equivalent of screaming at a retail worker for the decisions of their jobs CEO or manager. They are punching bags for the public perception and it’s not fair, we don’t need to support every artist or even like them, But we don’t need to hold anger or malice towards them either when we can never know what’s going on behind the scenes.

This is really long I did not get to read it

[Dayman 5,989]

1 hour ago, Nedster said:

This is really long I did not get to read it

Summarized, typically don’t know what behind the scenes circumstances are until years later. Examples being artists Luke abused and took advantage of speaking up later or the case with Gaga where she didn’t really even want to work with R Kelly and was in a bad place. What artists say publicly in the moment is always PR said in an attempt to appease the most people. So without being privy to what an artists personal life or behind the scenes situation is, giving artists benefit of the doubt while holding those above them responsible is the best option. Otherwise we could be spending time sending hatred toward someone who already is unhappy with their situation themselves.

[Controversiaga 9,475]

9 hours ago, Joshie S said:

same could be said to you?? go create a k*msupporterofabusersdaily if you feel so strongly to post about her here??? lol? 

I’m not the one who made this Kim thread ma’am.

[Controversiaga 9,475]

12 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

As long as bops are made, a lot of people don’t give a F about who made it. Kim could literally come out and say “yes I know he abused Kesha and other artists, he confessed it to me himself, but I don’t care” and her fans would still bop to her. Not just Kim fans but pretty much fans of any artist/celeb couldn’t care less about anything problematic their fave does/did. Just look at all the swifties defending Taylor for dating a known racist/misogynistic man. Or look at all of Kanye’s fans still supporting him after outing himself as a neo nazi. Or how people still love Woody Allen. There’s hundreds of examples  

There’s hundreds of examples. Here another.
Okay you want to talk about all these celebs but don’t mention DWUW ft r Kelly.  You thought it was a bop back in 2013. I guarantee.  You know he already had a video recording of himself urinating on a minor before 2013.  But we still bought ARTPOP and bought the single and we’re so excited to see it go number one on iTunes. You didn’t care back then but suddenly care now ? 

here you go again with ur double standards and favoritism. How come you can mention all these ppls problematic pasts but act like Gaga doesn’t have one ? 

@partysick I’m sorry I know I said I wasn’t gonna do this anymore, but come on. Do you see what’s going on here? We are allowed to bring up other celebrities and use them to compare and make points but I can’t address the major elephant in the room here? I’m not trying to be insensitive or harsh on Gaga, I’m literally stating the facts.  She collaborated and defended a man who urinated on a minor. Regardless what ever efforts she made to cover it up and erase it, it still happened and we all stood by her side and supported her no matter what.  We didn’t stop stanning her , we didn’t boycott her, we didn’t call eachother SA supporters because we supported Gaga.  This is completely hypocritical.  I’m sorry but it is