MOT 2,753 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 It wasn't a great album, but it IS a great debate. Long live ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debithius 5,570 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 ARTPOP is not more iconic but it is iconic in terms of all of the messy moments and controversial takes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimotheeChalamet 5,071 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I can assure you it's not a thing outside of the fanbase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOOK 76,406 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 For the ones that don't get it: ARTPOP took what made The Fame Monster and Born This Way grand, and exploded it all up. Its pieces became a complex collage of what art is to the eye of the beholder, and their own emotion and pain. What Andy Warhol did in the 60s was propose that pop culture should be as respected as art performances, which lead to the pop art movement. By 2013 the world was strongly shifted towards pop and celebrity culture overlooking the value of art so Gaga switched that back around by putting art to the forefront through her music incorporating the latest technologies and what was meant to be a revolutionary app, hence the "reverse Warholian expedition". I just made everything up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimotheeChalamet 5,071 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, COOOK said: For the ones that don't get it: ARTPOP took what made The Fame Monster and Born This Way grand, and exploded it all up. Its pieces became a complex collage of what art is to the eye of the beholder, and their own emotion and pain. What Andy Warhol did in the 60s was propose that pop culture should be as respected as art performances, which lead to the pop art movement. By 2013 the world was strongly shifted towards pop and celebrity culture overlooking the value of art so Gaga switched that back around by putting art to the forefront through her music incorporating the latest technologies and what was meant to be a revolutionary app, hence the "reverse Warholian expedition". I just made everything up. No shade but I think ARTPOP was just a mixture of concepts that ended up mismanaged. The arty thing sprouted from a time when Gaga had a lot of chaos inside of her and wasn't sure of which road to take Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimecia 6,025 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I would not call ARTPOP iconic or anything of the sort. But I must admit that it is my favorite era, and that my softspot for it comes from the struggle we as fans have been through, together with Gaga during this era. It felt like the world was against us, and we had to fight so hard to come together and celebrate our colorful creative explosion. The artRAVE truly was the ultimate redemption and materialization of the era, it felt amazing, and that's also why it is my favorite tour of hers. The late ARTPOP era also overlapped with the Cheek to Cheek one, which brought her so much praise, success and most of all, happiness. That is why I remember this period of my personal life and of her career so fondly. Time. It will not wait, no matter how hard you hold on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 4,640 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 11 hours ago, crazygato said: It would've been better as a 12 track album and promoted as a "personal, electronic record" retitled "AURA". Tracklist: 1. Aura 2. Venus 3. G.U.Y. 4. S3XXX Dreams 5. Do What You Want 6. ARTPOP 7. Swine 8. MANiCURE 9. Mary Jane Holland 10. Dope 11. Gypsy 12. Applause Little Managers strike again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 21,714 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I think her actual most iconic eras, the ones people think of when they think “lady Gaga”, are tf/m and asib Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnglerfishbraBENUS 5,652 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, holy scheisse said: I think her actual most iconic eras, the ones people think of when they think “lady Gaga”, are tf/m and asib this tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Goo Goo 3,698 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 17 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said: How is it iconic? its her most hated album and era! Cheek To Cheek, Joanne, A Star Is Born, Chromatica, and Love For Sale literally all say hi (these seem way more hated than ARTPOP among the fan base IMO. GagaDaily has a lot of ARTPOP haters but the bigger community of Monsters on Twitter loves ARTPOP.) Lady Gaga doesn't owe us anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G 10,161 Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 ARTPOP has been the subject of polarizing commentary and debate for roughly 10 years now even inching towards it’s 10th anniversary. When ARTPOP as an era was commencing, she was just starting to show her face again after recovering from her hip injury earlier that year. I recall that the promo for ARTPOP was everywhere. We got the Inez & Vinoodh photoshoot—the ones with that long brown/brunette wig and the famous chair made out of electronic chips. Then we got word that she was going to be performing live again at the iTunes Music Festival where she dropped 8 of the tracks including Applause which had already been released. I also recall the massive promo in Times Square when the video released. It was almost like the 2nd coming of Gaga. People forget that in 2011 coming off the massive success of The Fame Monster and getting ready to promote Born This Way, Gaga was everywhere. Every talk show, every festival, every major event wanted a piece of her…but it came with great price because she had been overexposed and oversaturated with the GP. Flash forward to now late Summer/early Fall 2013, ARTPOP is in full swing. There was an app promised, we saw the Volantis flying dress, got the tracklist and then DWUW with R. Kelly dropped…and that’s where everything started going downhill. Past controversies with R. Kelly resurfaced and people accused her of basically being a fraudster to identify as a survivor of sexual assault but then collaborating with someone who is now in prison for having done that himself…to numerous victims. It was a terrible look which is how the video got canceled from being released, her SNL performance with him raised a lot of eyebrows, not to mention the same during the American Music Awards. By this time, Venus and Dope had been dropped as promo singles but all the chaos with her team and Troy Carter didn’t help. DWUW was on its way of becoming one of her biggest hits…and then the momentum stopped. Album dropped, app didn’t go anywhere and we essentially got nothing for several months until early Spring 2014 where the artRave tour is about to start and we now have the G.U.Y. video. This video screams everything she wanted to do with ARTPOP, which was putting art at the forefront of the discussion—not just the music or the performance itself. It’s a beautiful as f*** video and it tells a story of how she was used for commercial success and the minute men in power didn’t feel she was profitable, they abandoned her…literally. For me it’s not her best because the music sounds dated in most parts, but I believe why it is still such a popular talking point is because it somewhat created a standard for the Hyperpop sound we find on the album, and I would suspect that a lot of why Twitter stans go wild is because they felt robbed and underwhelmed knowing she had hoped for more but a lot got canceled unexpectedly. She served amazing looks and styles, but outside of what we got it felt very unfinished. And I would not be surprised if several years from now, some of these fans start to feel the same way with Chromatica (even though those plans shifted for much different reasons). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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