Kesha Lying Under Oath Explained

[CheapGin 561]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3SGtv8/

In 2011 Kesha said under oath Dr. Luke never made advances at her and he uses this as evidence against her! 

This always confused me like as to why it was even being discussed in this context (where there’s smoke there’s fire) but Dr. Luke unsurprisingly created the situation to trap her and use it against her it’s all kind of crazy but involves so many other industry figures….I honestly can’t believe this lawsuit has been going for almost ten years. 
 

Did you know the whole origin/backstory?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3SGtv8/

 

[faysalaaa 4,117]

Is there proof he threatened her before the deposition? If yes, she should be able to to say her testimony was given under threat?

[Economy 49,243]

49 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Is there proof he threatened her before the deposition? If yes, she should be able to to say her testimony was given under threat?

Assuming there was, that's the kind of thing that is super difficult to prove

[faysalaaa 4,117]

7 minutes ago, Economy said:

Assuming there was, that's the kind of thing that is super difficult to prove

If she cant prove it, she can atleast show that she got a phone call from him before the deposition. That by itself makes him look bad and questionable. There doesnt have to be 100% proof of something for the court to rule on something. 

[AyeshaErotica 1,657]

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

I have been initially impartial but after the years went by I stopped believing Kesha after she self-assuredly said multiple times  - with much media attention and for the media -  that she has evidence, yet in court it turned out that none of her self-declared evidences meets the critieria of a real evidence and everything was rightfully dismissed and any rational person would have known that these "notes" cannot serve as evidence and therefore would not present them as such in advance for the media. Only people whose intention is to destroy a reputation would act that way, I believe. The case has similarities to Amber Heard, yet we cannot conclude from Amber Heard to another case because each case is unique and to be treated individually.

Her goal probably has been to destroy the reputation of Dr Luke b/c she was trapped in oppressive contracts and she had other visions of her future career that Dr Luke did not allow.

It would be better if the music business had more employee-friendly laws that temporarily limit the time an artist has to serve under her/his employer, so that artistis won't be put into this miserable position in first place nad has more freedom to change his or her musical projects.

That being said I don't know the truth, Kesha may be a blatant liar. Or Dr. Luke may be a monster. Both can be victims in different ways and the situation is really hard. This was a case for the American Justice System and they ruled that Kesha's accusations have irregularities and are not proven, so I don't consider Dr Luke to be a rapist. People shouldn't either blame Kim Petras for working with him, I read these accusation a lot on her twitter. Kim Petras surely also checked this case carefully before she signed to Dr Luke and decided in an unprejudiced way.

 

 

[Meruk Holland 2,257]

4 minutes ago, LoliLux said:

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

I have been initially impartial but after the years went by I stopped believing Kesha after she self-assuredly said multiple times  - with much media attention and for the media -  that she has evidence, yet in court it turned out that none of her self-declared evidences meets the critieria of a real evidence and everything was rightfully dismissed and any rational person would have known that these "notes" cannot serve as evidence and therefore would not present them as such in advance for the media. Only people whose intention is to destroy a reputation would act that way, I believe. The case has similarities to Amber Heard, yet we cannot conclude from Amber Heard to another case because each case is unique and to be treated individually.

Her goal probably has been to destroy the reputation of Dr Luke b/c she was trapped in oppressive contracts and she had other visions of her future career that Dr Luke did not allow.

It would be better if the music business had more employee-friendly laws that temporarily limit the time an artist has to serve under her/his employer, so that artistis won't be put into this miserable position in first place nad has more freedom to change his or her musical projects.

That being said I don't know the truth, Kesha may be a blatant liar. Or Dr. Luke may be a monster. Both can be victims in different ways and the situation is really hard. This was a case for the American Justice System and they ruled that Kesha's accusations have irregularities and are not proven, so I don't consider Dr Luke to be a rapist. People shouldn't either blame Kim Petras for working with him, I read these accusation a lot on her twitter. Kim Petras surely also checked this case carefully before she signed to Dr Luke and decided in an unprejudiced way.

Kinda just seems like you want Dr. Luke to be innocent to justify your support of Kim.

[HeavyMetal Halcyon 1,702]

18 minutes ago, LoliLux said:

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

I have been initially impartial but after the years went by I stopped believing Kesha after she self-assuredly said multiple times  - with much media attention and for the media -  that she has evidence, yet in court it turned out that none of her self-declared evidences meets the critieria of a real evidence and everything was rightfully dismissed and any rational person would have known that these "notes" cannot serve as evidence and therefore would not present them as such in advance for the media. Only people whose intention is to destroy a reputation would act that way, I believe. The case has similarities to Amber Heard, yet we cannot conclude from Amber Heard to another case because each case is unique and to be treated individually.

Her goal probably has been to destroy the reputation of Dr Luke b/c she was trapped in oppressive contracts and she had other visions of her future career that Dr Luke did not allow.

It would be better if the music business had more employee-friendly laws that temporarily limit the time an artist has to serve under her/his employer, so that artistis won't be put into this miserable position in first place nad has more freedom to change his or her musical projects.

That being said I don't know the truth, Kesha may be a blatant liar. Or Dr. Luke may be a monster. Both can be victims in different ways and the situation is really hard. This was a case for the American Justice System and they ruled that Kesha's accusations have irregularities and are not proven, so I don't consider Dr Luke to be a rapist. People shouldn't either blame Kim Petras for working with him, I read these accusation a lot on her twitter. Kim Petras surely also checked this case carefully before she signed to Dr Luke and decided in an unprejudiced way.

 

 

OMG 100% this. I'm so tired of all these fans with one point of view. So many fans want to jump on the band wagon and hate him and Kim without knowing what actually occurred between him and Kesha. I am not saying I love supporting Dr Luke, and I've always been a fan of Kesha, but I can look beyond my own bias to determine that this is a quite a bit of over amplified cancel culture without justification. 

I think Dr Luke is creepy, and probably a predictor in a lot of ways, but I trust the judicial process, and Kesha was unable to prove that Dr Luke had actually done anything illegal or sexually illicit. People need to let it go. 

[CheapGin 561]

36 minutes ago, LoliLux said:

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

I have been initially impartial but after the years went by I stopped believing Kesha after she self-assuredly said multiple times  - with much media attention and for the media -  that she has evidence, yet in court it turned out that none of her self-declared evidences meets the critieria of a real evidence and everything was rightfully dismissed and any rational person would have known that these "notes" cannot serve as evidence and therefore would not present them as such in advance for the media. Only people whose intention is to destroy a reputation would act that way, I believe. The case has similarities to Amber Heard, yet we cannot conclude from Amber Heard to another case because each case is unique and to be treated individually.

Her goal probably has been to destroy the reputation of Dr Luke b/c she was trapped in oppressive contracts and she had other visions of her future career that Dr Luke did not allow.

It would be better if the music business had more employee-friendly laws that temporarily limit the time an artist has to serve under her/his employer, so that artistis won't be put into this miserable position in first place nad has more freedom to change his or her musical projects.

That being said I don't know the truth, Kesha may be a blatant liar. Or Dr. Luke may be a monster. Both can be victims in different ways and the situation is really hard. This was a case for the American Justice System and they ruled that Kesha's accusations have irregularities and are not proven, so I don't consider Dr Luke to be a rapist. People shouldn't either blame Kim Petras for working with him, I read these accusation a lot on her twitter. Kim Petras surely also checked this case carefully before she signed to Dr Luke and decided in an unprejudiced way.

 

 

Did you watch the video? Kesha wanted out of her contract BECAUSE he was abusive….Dr. Luke saying she’s using abuse claims to get out of the contract is true, he got her signature and THEN started abusing her once she was tied to him….why would she do any of this voluntarily?

[CheapGin 561]

18 minutes ago, HeavyMetal Halcyon said:

OMG 100% this. I'm so tired of all these fans with one point of view. So many fans want to jump on the band wagon and hate him and Kim without knowing what actually occurred between him and Kesha. I am not saying I love supporting Dr Luke, and I've always been a fan of Kesha, but I can look beyond my own bias to determine that this is a quite a bit of over amplified cancel culture without justification. 

I think Dr Luke is creepy, and probably a predictor in a lot of ways, but I trust the judicial process, and Kesha was unable to prove that Dr Luke had actually done anything illegal or sexually illicit. People need to let it go. 

I don’t think the legal process is worth trusting when it favors certain powerful parties over another.

Also, wasn’t the judge married to a Sony executive? You can’t tell me it’s been due and fair process.

[HeavyMetal Halcyon 1,702]

36 minutes ago, CheapGin said:

I don’t think the legal process is worth trusting when it favors certain powerful parties over another.

Also, wasn’t the judge married to a Sony executive? You can’t tell me it’s been due and fair process.

That was Shirley Werner Kornreich, one of the first judges in 2016. I believe it is now being handled by Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Jennifer G. Schecter. 

[Economy 49,243]

1 hour ago, LoliLux said:

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

 

I do agree in some situations this can be a biased issue for ppl and ppl make it plainly obvious. However other times inclinations to believe one person over another can also be justified

 

In this case there's a power imbalance making it more likely one can take advantage for pressured sexual advances... There's also the fact that she had to have a reason to want out of a contract so badly and someone who has harrassed u is a plausible explanation

 

We cannot say anything for certain of course but I am also inclined to believe it's more likely she is telling the truth more so than Luke. Not being certain doesn't mean it has to be 50-50 probability either

[27monster27 12,695]

1 hour ago, LoliLux said:

None of us knows the truth, yet  a large part of the pop music fandom treats Dr Luke as a criminal despite no conviction because he is an Older White Men and Employer, and Kesha is Young and a Woman and somehow an Employee, and [lots of] people somehow want to believe than an Older White men must be guilty if a young woman says so even if judges arrive at another conclusion. The Dr Luke vs Kesha case is a prime example of how people belonging to the same group prefer to believe the words of their own group rather than being unprejudiced.

I have been initially impartial but after the years went by I stopped believing Kesha after she self-assuredly said multiple times  - with much media attention and for the media -  that she has evidence, yet in court it turned out that none of her self-declared evidences meets the critieria of a real evidence and everything was rightfully dismissed and any rational person would have known that these "notes" cannot serve as evidence and therefore would not present them as such in advance for the media. Only people whose intention is to destroy a reputation would act that way, I believe. The case has similarities to Amber Heard, yet we cannot conclude from Amber Heard to another case because each case is unique and to be treated individually.

Her goal probably has been to destroy the reputation of Dr Luke b/c she was trapped in oppressive contracts and she had other visions of her future career that Dr Luke did not allow.

It would be better if the music business had more employee-friendly laws that temporarily limit the time an artist has to serve under her/his employer, so that artistis won't be put into this miserable position in first place nad has more freedom to change his or her musical projects.

That being said I don't know the truth, Kesha may be a blatant liar. Or Dr. Luke may be a monster. Both can be victims in different ways and the situation is really hard. This was a case for the American Justice System and they ruled that Kesha's accusations have irregularities and are not proven, so I don't consider Dr Luke to be a rapist. People shouldn't either blame Kim Petras for working with him, I read these accusation a lot on her twitter. Kim Petras surely also checked this case carefully before she signed to Dr Luke and decided in an unprejudiced way.

 

 

I think Kesha came forward twice in 2005/2008. So this has lasted quite awhile before 2011.

[SharGaga 2,906]

I don't like either of them. People forget Gaga got a psychotic break because of a deposition. The only reason she had to go for a deposition is because Kesha lied about Katy being r***d in texts with Gaga. She didn't need to make up those lies as Gaga already supported and believed her. She didn't have to put Gaga in that spot but I guess guilty until proven innocent

[SharkmanthaC 111,995]

The victim blaming is gross.

It's hard to prove sexual assault. Just because it wasn't proven, doesn't mean it didn't happen. 

[Natalia Kills 378]

12 minutes ago, SamanthaC said:

The victim blaming is gross.

It's hard to prove sexual assault. Just because it wasn't proven, doesn't mean it didn't happen. 

Who actually is the victim? Is there a victim? Are they both victims? I think that’s what some posters are trying to identify.