CatelynnMarie 4,276 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 The beauty community has always been toxic and unfortunately will ALWAYS be toxic because it’s based on a shallow and formulated industry. I mean, GOD If you’ve ever been in or worked at a hair/ nail salon/ beauty brand store you’d know this. Glam and beauty, it can be fun and exciting. An expression of yourself or maybe you don’t feel like being you that day, and you create a look that transforms yourself into a part of yourself you want to be. Kind of like how Gaga described hiding behind wigs and creating different “personas” during one of the speeches at swinefest. Unfortunately, that is not what the industry is based on. It’s based on your appearance in the sense of presenting a certain way, looking younger, prettier, etc etc. When anything is created and based on such a frivolous subject, you’re going to have toxicity, greed, a whole bunch of negative energy. I’ll say that no matter how you spin it, this topic goes beyond race, but white people NEED to do better and stop with the disgusting bs. People in GENERAL need to fcking do better, it’s genuinely pathetic the state we are in as a species and that’s just period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debithius 5,555 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I am not really sure why we have this discussion anyway. What people truly want is to reverse the roles instead and be racist themselves and then hide behind snarky comments and "you can't be racist towards him or her because of this and that" instead of actually focusing on fixing the problem. I mean just look at Hogwarts Legacy, the activists really became the biggest bullies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALittleMonsta 1,529 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Future Lovers said: Racism against white people is white nationalist fiction. Racism is when your opportunities in life are hampered because you aren't white. Racism is when you visit a high end clothing store and security follows you as you browse. Racism is when the cops get called on your for having a barbeque in the park or selling lemonade on a street corner. Racism is when you get pulled over when you drive an expensive car because a cop is suspicious that you stole it. Racism is when a stranger asks your white partner if you need help because they're out with you. Racism is when someone says you kidnapped the children that you're babysitting because they're white and out and about with you. That is racism. Those are things a white person will never, ever, ever experience. No one's life is interrupted because they're white. You may very well face some prejudice for being white, but that cannot be racism because that prejudice does not prevent you from living your life, it doesn't get you arrested, it doesn't get you profiled, it doesn't do anything other than momentarily inconvenience you. You have the option to get away from it. That isn't racism, and don't pretend that it is. Yes that's true, but that's specifically systematic racism. Racism as a concept can refer to any race, while systematic racism doesn't apply on white people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta 5,019 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 8 hours ago, ALGAYDO said: Some white people wanna be oppressed so bad lmaooo it’s kinda sad 8 hours ago, Future Lovers said: Racism against white people is white nationalist fiction. Racism is when your opportunities in life are hampered because you aren't white. Racism is when you visit a high end clothing store and security follows you as you browse. Racism is when the cops get called on your for having a barbeque in the park or selling lemonade on a street corner. Racism is when you get pulled over when you drive an expensive car because a cop is suspicious that you stole it. Racism is when a stranger asks your white partner if you need help because they're out with you. Racism is when someone says you kidnapped the children that you're babysitting because they're white and out and about with you. That is racism. Those are things a white person will never, ever, ever experience. No one's life is interrupted because they're white. You may very well face some prejudice for being white, but that cannot be racism because that prejudice does not prevent you from living your life, it doesn't get you arrested, it doesn't get you profiled, it doesn't do anything other than momentarily inconvenience you. You have the option to get away from it. That isn't racism, and don't pretend that it is. Ah...a breath of fresh air. If you see someone calling out a specific group of white people, and you immediately make it about you and the rest of the caucasian population on this planet, that is pretty much the most Karen 'everything is about me' thing you can ever do. If any of you in this thread complaining are not toxic, problematic, controversial white makeup 'gurus' with a large social media following then this is NOT about you! Use your brains! And let me also be clear, just because there has been progress in tackling and addressing racism does NOT mean we are living in a post-racist world. We most likely won't live to see it, either. So, please wipe those crocodile tears and get over yourselves because if you can't even separate yourself from the highlighted description above then I don't know what else to tell you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef666 4,492 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Future Lovers said: Racism against white people is white nationalist fiction. Racism is when your opportunities in life are hampered because you aren't white. Racism is when you visit a high end clothing store and security follows you as you browse. Racism is when the cops get called on your for having a barbeque in the park or selling lemonade on a street corner. Racism is when you get pulled over when you drive an expensive car because a cop is suspicious that you stole it. Racism is when a stranger asks your white partner if you need help because they're out with you. Racism is when someone says you kidnapped the children that you're babysitting because they're white and out and about with you. That is racism. Those are things a white person will never, ever, ever experience. No one's life is interrupted because they're white. You may very well face some prejudice for being white, but that cannot be racism because that prejudice does not prevent you from living your life, it doesn't get you arrested, it doesn't get you profiled, it doesn't do anything other than momentarily inconvenience you. You have the option to get away from it. That isn't racism, and don't pretend that it is. I agree with you but I think we disagree on the terminology. What you described is oppression and discrimination, and while racism is a form of it, saying racism is only racism when the issue is serious is wrong. Yes, as I said I agree, white people are not oppressed or discriminated for being white. But I don't need to be oppressed to have someone racially profile me. In short, I believe racism is a much broader term referring to ANY level of inappropriate behavior towards someone due to their skin color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 71,448 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 king of using AAVE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 18,306 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 At the end of the day he was wrong in his assertion, i recognise and agree that he is speaking about a specific group of people who have already been named on this thread but to generalise and say " white people" ruined the beauty industry is a false statement and whether he was joking or just simply inarticulate is irrelevant to the fact that those words would trigger and offended certain people and that is the fact. whether yall think they have valid reason to be offended or not is also irrelevant in this case because his statement in itself is incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 19,935 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 I don't know about white people because I see this in all races, but I find beauty trends these days very ugly indeed. He's probably not referring to the same thing because from these photos, he's exactly what I'm talking about You popped my heart seams, all my bubble dreams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addison Rae 15,256 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Fanta said: Ah...a breath of fresh air. If you see someone calling out a specific group of white people, and you immediately make it about you and the rest of the caucasian population on this planet, that is pretty much the most Karen 'everything is about me' thing you can ever do. If any of you in this thread complaining are not toxic, problematic, controversial white makeup 'gurus' with a large social media following then this is NOT about you! Use your brains! And let me also be clear, just because there has been progress in tackling and addressing racism does NOT mean we are living in a post-racist world. We most likely won't live to see it, either. So, please wipe those crocodile tears and get over yourselves because if you can't even separate yourself from the highlighted description above then I don't know what else to tell you. !!!!! sitting on his lap sipping diet pepsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasmas 9,970 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 13 hours ago, ALGAYDO said: Some white people wanna be oppressed so bad lmaooo it’s kinda sad its fun watching them fight about it amongst themselves tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geish 28 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 15 hours ago, moonsago said: I know her, an absolut legend, however the conversation was more about the makeup side of the beauty industry as that’s the topic at hand. And even so, althought her contributions are huge to the haircare industry, they were targeted to black costumers not the general beauty industry ( like the use claimed ) and even so, there were other brands before hers created by white people that catered to black hair. That does not take away in any shape way or form her contribution ( especially when you take in account how influential her work became due the quality and genius marketing ), my whole point was not that black beauty owners did not exist but that rather that the industry was not founded and created as that user claimed by black folks. Which is only logical considering the times, no? And when talking about makeup, some of the most notable first brands would be Max Factor ( which is also considered the father of modern makeup, he really created so much for the beauty scene and his techniques and style of makeup popularized in movies is what makeup nowadays is still largely based on, from normal makeup to drag makeup ) Elizabeth Arden, The Maybelline Company, etc. My point was more against the generalization that the user was trying to make and how unfactual it was. What you’re saying isn’t entirely factual. For me personally, the conversation about the beauty industry applies to all things that are beauty related. Walker’s success story is one of the more well-known ones out there especially because she established a reputable brand with her business, but before her there was another black woman named Annie Turnbo. Annie Turnbo was selling her hair products in a buggy in 1889 but her business really took off by 1902. Where she eventually branded herself with the name Poro. If you wanna talk about just makeup then let’s talk about Anthony Overton, the first black man to get into the cosmetics industry. Overton launched his powder company in 1898 he created his best-seller, the high brown face powder, one of the first selling cosmetics for black women. I’m very familiar with Max Factor and how he changed the industry with his new ideas, introducing tools and makeup techniques. His story is one I will never forget. He’s one of the first people I learnt about in makeup school. The concept of makeup has always been a thing though. There is no clear inventor of makeup but many credit the Egyptians as the ones who introduced the very concept in the first place. And makeup was was being used before any of these people existed. Beauty practices go back centuries in Asia with shiseiso being one of the oldest cosmetics company starting in 1872. Italian women in the 13th century painted their lips red, European women in the 16th century wanted fair complexion and would bleed themselves. Heavier makeup was becoming increasingly popular. The Venetian ceruse, a toxic lead powder was used throughout the 16th, 17th and late 18th century, but makeup was something for the upper class and wasn’t sold accessibly. In the 19th century queen Victoria declared makeup improper and only to be used by actors so makeup became more of a beauty secret. (Clearly you can see I can talk about this subject for a long time as I’m very passionate about the history of beauty.) In fact one of the oldest known makeup items sold is a blush by bourjois made in 1863. The beauty industry really took off in the 1900's. Max factors first product was released in 1914 before that he sold exclusively to theatre and film. His success is also linked heavily to the Hollywood industry that gave him a lot of recognition. Maybelline created the first mascara in 1915. Elizabeth Arden’s first product wasn’t actually makeup. It was beauty cream and she introduced a massaging ritual. Something that has been introduced long before her and was already being done by Guerlain. But Arden impact is worth mentioning because she was part of the women’s suffrage movement. She handed out red lipstick to be part of the uniform and she brought fourth new ideas that we still implement today. She’s definitely one the major people who contributed to redefining the beauty industry, however, she is not the only one. Its an over simplified statement to claim that white people exclusively founded the industry. There's clear evidence of influence from many cultures and there's a very complex history that dates back 7000 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonsago 6,578 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Geish said: What you’re saying isn’t entirely factual. For me personally, the conversation about the beauty industry applies to all things that are beauty related. Walker’s success story is one of the more well-known ones out there especially because she established a reputable brand with her business, but before her there was another black woman named Annie Turnbo. Annie Turnbo was selling her hair products in a buggy in 1889 but her business really took off by 1902. Where she eventually branded herself with the name Poro. If you wanna talk about just makeup then let’s talk about Anthony Overton, the first black man to get into the cosmetics industry. Overton launched his powder company in 1898 he created his best-seller, the high brown face powder, one of the first selling cosmetics for black women. I’m very familiar with Max Factor and how he changed the industry with his new ideas, introducing tools and makeup techniques. His story is one I will never forget. He’s one of the first people I learnt about in makeup school. The concept of makeup has always been a thing though. There is no clear inventor of makeup but many credit the Egyptians as the ones who introduced the very concept in the first place. And makeup was was being used before any of these people existed. Beauty practices go back centuries in Asia with shiseiso being one of the oldest cosmetics company starting in 1872. Italian women in the 13th century painted their lips red, European women in the 16th century wanted fair complexion and would bleed themselves. Heavier makeup was becoming increasingly popular. The Venetian ceruse, a toxic lead powder was used throughout the 16th, 17th and late 18th century, but makeup was something for the upper class and wasn’t sold accessibly. In the 19th century queen Victoria declared makeup improper and only to be used by actors so makeup became more of a beauty secret. (Clearly you can see I can talk about this subject for a long time as I’m very passionate about the history of beauty.) In fact one of the oldest known makeup items sold is a blush by bourjois made in 1863. The beauty industry really took off in the 1900's. Max factors first product was released in 1914 before that he sold exclusively to theatre and film. His success is also linked heavily to the Hollywood industry that gave him a lot of recognition. Maybelline created the first mascara in 1915. Elizabeth Arden’s first product wasn’t actually makeup. It was beauty cream and she introduced a massaging ritual. Something that has been introduced long before her and was already being done by Guerlain. But Arden impact is worth mentioning because she was part of the women’s suffrage movement. She handed out red lipstick to be part of the uniform and she brought fourth new ideas that we still implement today. She’s definitely one the major people who contributed to redefining the beauty industry, however, she is not the only one. Its an over simplified statement to claim that white people exclusively founded the industry. There's clear evidence of influence from many cultures and there's a very complex history that dates back 7000 years. I agree with everything that you say except you are merging the history of beauty with the beauty industry a lot which is not the same thing. Of course beauty practices are not exclusivly related to one race nor were they created at the begining of the 1900s. I was talking exclusivly about the beauty INDUSTRY, meaning the time when beauty practices started to be industrialized and products were being created and sold on a larger scale, and once again, I never said that black beauty owners did not exist, my point was against the generalization that the user made which was that the beauty industry was exclusivly created by black folks and then white people took over, which is not true. And again, I was strictly talking about makeup since we are talking about the makeup industry, that is where this whole entire conversation started, the youtube makeup community. Hair is very much part of the beauty industry, but the coversation was localized specifically on makeup. But you made some valid extra points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil R 1,084 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Future Lovers said: Racism against white people is white nationalist fiction. Racism is when your opportunities in life are hampered because you aren't white. Racism is when you visit a high end clothing store and security follows you as you browse. Racism is when the cops get called on your for having a barbeque in the park or selling lemonade on a street corner. Racism is when you get pulled over when you drive an expensive car because a cop is suspicious that you stole it. Racism is when a stranger asks your white partner if you need help because they're out with you. Racism is when someone says you kidnapped the children that you're babysitting because they're white and out and about with you. That is racism. Those are things a white person will never, ever, ever experience. No one's life is interrupted because they're white. You may very well face some prejudice for being white, but that cannot be racism because that prejudice does not prevent you from living your life, it doesn't get you arrested, it doesn't get you profiled, it doesn't do anything other than momentarily inconvenience you. You have the option to get away from it. That isn't racism, and don't pretend that it is. There is a world outside of United States of America. Please get educated people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togekiss 2,354 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Every time a thread like this comes up, it’s like we need to be reminded again: people use the term “racism” to describe two different things: 1) institutional racism, from which white people benefit in the US and 2) personally held beliefs of racial bias. It’s also pretty clear that Batman was referring to some *specific* white people who (and I don’t even follow the beauty community) are pretty well known for scandalous behavior, half-assed apologies, and in general being whiny self-centered a-holes. Also considering the stupid “loose hole” joke, I wouldn’t take this kid’s every word too seriously 💀 Anyways, did everyone enjoy the chicken? I thought the chicken was lovely. building a daydream Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,975 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Togekiss said: …It’s also pretty clear that Batman was referring to… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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