US Soccer Team LGBTQ+ Flag

[Werk 13,166]

US National Soccer Team Changes Crest To LGBT Colors For World Cup In Qatar:

https://dailycaller.com/2022/11/14/us-national-soccer-team-crest-lgbt-world-cup-qatar/

 

 

[dit 46,738]

It’s cool and all but I swear there’s just so much hypocrisy in all of this. These nations hardly did anything this symbolic when the olympics where in Russia (which has a worse human rights record than Qatar especially towards LGBTQ+ ppl) or China (literally been committing a genocide on Uighurs) or Brazil which has one of the highest murder rates of trans and LGBTQIA+ youth in the world etc...it just seems like it’s easier to be critical on a Middle East nation to do moral posturing so everyone is getting involved now. Get your brownie points I guess. I still don’t trust any of these corporations. At all.

[sarahb 17,245]

Edit: wrong thread

[palma 8,910]

58 minutes ago, dit said:

It’s cool and all but I swear there’s just so much hypocrisy in all of this. These nations hardly did anything this symbolic when the olympics where in Russia (which has a worse human rights record than Qatar especially towards LGBTQ+ ppl) or China (literally been committing a genocide on Uighurs) or Brazil which has one of the highest murder rates of trans and LGBTQIA+ youth in the world etc...it just seems like it’s easier to be critical on a Middle East nation to do moral posturing so everyone is getting involved now. Get your brownie points I guess. I still don’t trust any of these corporations. At all.

While you’re right the football community ww has been very homophobic in the past - this is a new, and most welcome development and I still think it’s valuable, albeit very late.

Never trust any corporations about inclusivity though, it’s always only marketing.

[Shipper 13,114]

Yes, they are certainly doing this for publicity but something small like this  can mean a lot for the LGBTQ+ community in Qatar. Imagine,  this might be the first time they would see these colors up in their country and out in the open.

[dit 46,738]

4 hours ago, palma said:

While you’re right the football community ww has been very homophobic in the past - this is a new, and most welcome development and I still think it’s valuable, albeit very late.

Never trust any corporations about inclusivity though, it’s always only marketing.

I just think it is too circumstantial meaning I don't think they will follow this through with other problematic host nations unless they are also Middle Eastern. It's become trendy to be critical of Middle East nations and often times these ppl who could care less about LGBTQ+ ppl in the Mid East are the loudest to be critical because they have ulterior motives (some of them are just flat out islamaphobes, others racists, others xenophobes) and so they take advantage of stuff like this and create a pile on. 

Companies also do this so they can have a veneer of "morality" but if the next game is held somewhere else with a horrible human rights record but is somehow important to western imperialism, hegemony or capitalism than they will remain silent or do very little outrage. All of this to me is false outrage and I just cannot celebrate this development in good faith. It feels like an insult to our intelligence and it harms the West's credibility a lot. 

It's hard to see Germany being hyper critical of Qatar's very problematic human rights records and then days later support bills or laws that help apartheid in Israel again Palestinians, or do trade deals with Saudi Arabia (one of the worst human rights abusers on earth) or stay silent against Australia's horrific treatment of migrant workers and it;s horrible detention centers for refugees etc...etc...etc...This campaign against Qatar should be implemented across the board. It's too nit picky for me to be hopeful. When one atrocity is ignored and another is lambasted I understand how the world is losing faith in the West for human rights regulations and starting to even feel vengeful towards it's moral posturing. It's just frustrating overall. I hate hypocrisy but this is how politics work I guess  

[SlaeUrAnus 16,111]

Can already smell the Republicans and homophobes spouting the “their country, their rules” nonsense.

Well done USA.

[Melech 9,900]

Not the Qatar apologists already here.  

[palma 8,910]

36 minutes ago, dit said:

I just think it is too circumstantial meaning I don't think they will follow this through with other problematic host nations unless they are also Middle Eastern. It's become trendy to be critical of Middle East nations and often times these ppl who could care less about LGBTQ+ ppl in the Mid East are the loudest to be critical because they have ulterior motives (some of them are just flat out islamaphobes, others racists, others xenophobes) and so they take advantage of stuff like this and create a pile on. 

Companies also do this so they can have a veneer of "morality" but if the next game is held somewhere else with a horrible human rights record but is somehow important to western imperialism, hegemony or capitalism than they will remain silent or do very little outrage. All of this to me is false outrage and I just cannot celebrate this development in good faith. It feels like an insult to our intelligence and it harms the West's credibility a lot. 

It's hard to see Germany being hyper critical of Qatar's very problematic human rights records and then days later support bills or laws that help apartheid in Israel again Palestinians, or do trade deals with Saudi Arabia (one of the worst human rights abusers on earth) or stay silent against Australia's horrific treatment of migrant workers and it;s horrible detention centers for refugees etc...etc...etc...This campaign against Qatar should be implemented across the board. It's too nit picky for me to be hopeful. When one atrocity is ignored and another is lambasted I understand how the world is losing faith in the West for human rights regulations and starting to even feel vengeful towards it's moral posturing. It's just frustrating overall. I hate hypocrisy but this is how politics work I guess  

I get your concern and I totally agree with you on everything - though I don't think they were trying to push for a campaign on human rights across the board - it's just that Qatar made quite a noise regarding their "warnings" towards queer fans, making even some queer footballers anxious to play there. So it's a gesture and I perceive it to be symbolic overall (although some real moves would be most appreciated). Hypocritical? Sure. But I personally enjoy the presence of a rainbow flag in an untouchable position in such a place. 

[Dojo 19,823]

should refused to participate in the first place, that would actually be a bold move

[palma 8,910]

Just now, Dojo said:

should refused to participate in the first place, that would actually be a bold move

Not when Qatar is basically a US Navy carrier. I can't wait until we're finally done with fossil fuels so that the US can stop backing up the Gulf countries. 

[Oriane 22,992]

2 hours ago, Melech said:

Not the Qatar apologists already here.  

Where?

[dit 46,738]

2 hours ago, Melech said:

Not the Qatar apologists already here.  

NEVER call me that plz. I am NOT an apologist AT ALL. I HATE and deplore Qatar's human rights record. I just want this implemented across the board. That;s it. 

[alsemanche 97,825]

27 minutes ago, dit said:

NEVER call me that plz. I am NOT an apologist AT ALL. I HATE and deplore Qatar's human rights record. I just want this implemented across the board. That;s it. 

You show some critcal thought and suddenly you're an apologist  I cant with some people

[dit 46,738]

1 minute ago, alsemanche said:

You show some critcal thought and suddenly you're an apologist  I cant with some people

it's insane  Like the way they can label someone something like that so easily with no thought is scary. I get if they simply disagreed with me but to label me that is insane when I am notorious for being anti all these dictatorships and monarchies.

I guess asking for atrocities to be called out and for big organizations like FIFA and the Olympics to be held to task when they don't is being an apologist now? a MESS