REALITY 76,270 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, River said: Just my honest opinion is that Margotās Harley is the worst adaptation in the DC universe (comics/movies/cartoons etc.) Really??Ā Ā Margot's Harley is like one of the very few redeeming things about the DCEU for me š¦ š§āāļøš„šøšš»šŗš§ššāļøšŖš¤šŗš±š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,214 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Reality said: Really??Ā Ā Margot's Harley is like one of the very few redeeming things about the DCEU for me Well compare to the the rest if theĀ DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itās to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnāt catch the idea and complexity behindĀ the Harley a character and just made a āclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlā character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Dojo said: misogynistic, patriarchal fantasies we will not be watching or supporting this project ? Itās a movie sir.. Also even tho itās a movie this abusive situationĀ is the reality of MANY women out there.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,365 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, Regina George said: ? Itās a movie sir.. Also even tho itās a movie this abusive situationĀ is the reality of MANY women out there.Ā i know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,423 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 hours ago, River said: Well compare to the the rest if theĀ DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itās to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnāt catch the idea and complexity behindĀ the Harley a character and just made a āclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlā character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. Thatās true the new Harley cartoon is also really great. ItāsĀ comedic but thereās still a serious arc and character development for Harley.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Fried Egg 8,752 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Regina George said: ? Itās a movie sir.. Also even tho itās a movie this abusive situationĀ is the reality of MANY women out there.Ā I think @DojoĀ was just making a joke.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Ah thank you for this threadĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,270 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 16 hours ago, River said: Well compare to the the rest if theĀ DCEU, then yes she was the best thing there but itās to be the best among the worst. I felt they didnāt catch the idea and complexity behindĀ the Harley a character and just made a āclownish-like free spirited psychotic girlā character and call her Harley, without digging much about her as a whole story. Even the cartoon gives much more depth to this version of Harley. I felt like they delved deeper into the complexities of the character withĀ Birds of PreyĀ andĀ The Suicide Squad, but I can sorta see what you mean; they could've gone farther. I thinkĀ FoliĆ© a DeuxĀ is going to be a great character study/exploration for Harley, similar to what they did with Joker in the first movie. Gaga's definitely not going to be playing the "clownish free spirited psychotic girlā.Ā It's going to have a lot more nuance, which I think should be exciting.Ā š¦ š§āāļøš„šøšš»šŗš§ššāļøšŖš¤šŗš±š Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hELXIG 42,954 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Dojo said: misogynistic, patriarchal fantasies we will not be watching or supporting this project Ā 6 hours ago, Stephen said: Whatās the point of art if it doesnāt reflect life? Abuse is unfortunatelyĀ real and a character rising above thatĀ can be inspirational.Ā Harleyās story has a happy ending.Ā Ā Exactly. Movies are supposed to tell stories. Some stories are not happy ones, and it's important that those stories are told too. As long as it is being framed that the relationship is toxic, and not framed in a way that makes it 'desirable', which I'm sure they won't do I'll be myself until they fÅ«cking close the coffin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 4,318 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Thank you for this! It was so informative. I know nothing - and I mean nothing - about comic books. So this was kick a** for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 11,760 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 hours ago, River said: I agree that she may not play āHarleyā but a character based on her. Just to add that there are 3 (or even more) active Jokers in the DC universe so one Joker and his āHarleyā is not canceling the other but completing the Joker mystery. Just my honest opinion is that Margotās Harley is the worst adaptation in the DC universe (comics/movies/cartoons etc.) That I chalk up to writing more than her acting imo. Sheās yet to get a script thatās up to par with what she can bring to the character imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,392 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 I will not watch ASIB ever again. It promotes alcoholism and public urination. Donāt even get me started on House of Gucci. It promotes buying ugly expensive clothes. In fact, I wonāt be watching any movie anymore because they all have a central conflict as a plot and I donāt support problems or conflicts!!1!1!1Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger 311 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 The thing that interests me most about Gaga's portrayal is the possibility that it will be mutually dysfunctional, where both characters bring out the best and worst in each other and ultimately rely on each other to progress in whatever their missions are. I don't consider the Joker and Harley's union to be glorification of abuse, it's just a story. And if Gaga does it right she could be the Heath Ledger of Harley Quinns, trailblazing an endlessly replicated portrayal that film critics will be studying for decades to come, because I truly think it's possible to have the Joker and Harley together and not make it about the toxicity, but rather what they bring out in each other and how they elevate one another. Not to mention the fact Joaquin Phoneix's Joker doesn't show much sign of being an abuser, rather just a neurotic man driven to violence by societal corruption. Harley could be of that same affinity, easily. As for Gaga actually portraying her, I think it's safe to say (from her following a Harley Quinn role-play account on Twitter) that it's Harley in spirit even if they use a different name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 20,935 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, tomsches said: I will not watch ASIB ever again. It promotes alcoholism and public urination. Donāt even get me started on House of Gucci. It promotes buying ugly expensive clothes. In fact, I wonāt be watching any movie anymore because they all have a central conflict as a plot and I donāt support problems or conflicts!!1!1!1Ā Thanks for speaking up about that. I started urinating everywhere in public ever since I saw the movie, I can see that people are embarrassed but I don't know how to do it differently anymoreĀ The only GGD member who can read / Credits to Celloo Deng for the profile pic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,392 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Oriane said: Thanks for speaking up about that. I started urinating everywhere in public ever since I saw the movie, I can see that people are embarrassed but I don't know how to do it differently anymoreĀ Same. I can now only urinate at award shows. Itās really a problem because it is causing my financial ruin. Do you know how expensive it is to travel everyday looking for a place where they are currently having an award show just so I can urinate? i think it started with my childhood trauma when I watched The sound of music and it promoted dead mothers. I havenāt been able to hold it in ever since.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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