Trans women banned from swimming competitions

[Morphine Prince 109,712]

 

[Chic 20,830]

Oh this thread is going to be fun 

[Horny Chicken 10,945]

Let the fun begin. 

[PartySick 172,975]

17 minutes ago, Chic said:

Oh this thread is going to be fun 

Ma'am please

Any stupidity and I'm banning, tbh. I'm really sick of the LGB's forgetting about the T's.

OT: So the justification is the misconception that MTF trans people are physically stronger, right? Isn't there science that proves that while that's potentially true in the short term, a fully transitioned person is hormonally identical to a person who was born in that sex?

I swear someone here brought the receipts that ~2 years after fully transitioning there's no significant difference whatsoever.

So...this is stupid

[Economy 52,907]

6 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Ma'am please

Any stupidity and I'm banning, tbh. I'm really sick of the LGB's forgetting about the T's.

OT: So the justification is the misconception that MTF trans people are physically stronger, right? Isn't there science that proves that while that's potentially true in the short term, a fully transitioned person is hormonally identical to a person who was born in that sex?

I swear someone here brought the receipts that ~2 years after fully transitioning there's no significant difference whatsoever.

So...this is stupid

So what about those who aren't fully transitioned what's the difference in strength?

[PartySick 172,975]

Just now, Economy said:

So what about those who aren't fully transitioned?

A grey area, I guess?

But at least banning transitioning athletes would have some reasoning to it and is an actual debate that can be had. But to ban ALL trans people? That's just wrong

[MessyTop 14,389]

Wow. I’m actually very shocked. 
whats their solution? Did they offer an alternative? 

[Simon 1,546]

  

7 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I swear someone here brought the receipts that ~2 years after fully transitioning there's no significant difference whatsoever.

That's not true, sadly. The differences will be there for the entire life. Of course, they will become smaller over time, but trans women will always have a predisposition to certain male characteristics. And men are statistically stronger and better at sports. A trans woman will not be as good at sports as a man, but she will be much stronger than a woman. So there is a very great injustice for women to compete with trans women.

In my opinion, people after transformation should compete in a separate category. I know it's a bit hurtful but It's fair for everyone.

[nATAH 57,317]

just make a trans category already  that way everyone can compete on an undeniable fair playing field and transphobes can go kick rocks

[Economy 52,907]

Just now, PartySick said:

A grey area, I guess?

But at least banning transitioning athletes would have some reasoning to it and is an actual debate that can be had. But to ban ALL trans people? That's just wrong

I don't know a tone about the science of transitioning so forgive me if I say anything ignorant

 

But excluding things like muscle mass and strength don't some differences like the proportions of limbs remain which can alter which activities u will be most proficient in?

 

Also if we already segregate male and females for sports and we don't consider that sexist can't we just create groups for trans individuals as well?

 

I'm only genuinely asking and debating. Please no one come at me in wrath

 

 

[MessyTop 14,389]

1 minute ago, Economy said:

I don't know a tone about the science of transitioning so forgive me if I say anything ignorant

 

But excluding things like muscle mass and strength don't some differences like the proportions of limbs remain which can alter which activities u will be most proficient in?

 

Also if we already segregate male and females for sports and we don't consider that sexist can't we just create groups for trans individuals as well?

 

I'm only genuinely asking and debating. Please no one come at me in wrath

 

 

I see your point. Like a woman who is 5’1 competing against a trans woman who is 6’2, that’s tricky. 

[Debithius 6,056]

15 minutes ago, PartySick said:

OT: So he justification is the misconception that MTF trans people are physically stronger, right? Isn't there science that proves that while that's potentially true in the short term, a fully transitioned person is hormonally identical to a person who was born in that sex?

Except hormones won't change the permanent developments you've gone through after or during puberty even if you are fully transitioned, hence why they said that people who transitioned before the age of 12 could compete. That makes sense to be honest.

[Meruk Holland 2,359]

They should just do away with gendered categories in totality. They only exist because men's egos can't handle being beaten by women. 

[PartySick 172,975]

4 minutes ago, Economy said:

Also if we already segregate male and females for sports and we don't consider that sexist can't we just create groups for trans individuals as well?

Interesting point about this, there's actually a push to desegregate sports by sex and instead group athletes together by ability or body type 

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Paralympic sport has been forced to deal much more closely with the issue of classification owing to the range of bodies that compete.

In the 1990s, the classification system changed to one that was based on functional ability rather than on medical conditions. It continues today, where rather than labelling athletes as having a particular medical condition, they are placed in a racing category based on the movements their body can perform, related to the sport they compete in.

We suggest that in able-bodied sport, it would similarly make sense to remove the label of male or female and replace it with categories based on the ability of bodies to move in that particular sport. This is a confronting notion, as we are not used to thinking about sex and gender as based on particular traits.

In sport, movement is based on physical ability, which is not necessarily linked to sex. In each sport, it would be possible to identify the characteristics which make up a successful athletes and create categories based on those rather than on sex.

For example, for a 100m sprinter, the ideal athlete would perhaps be made up of muscle mass and fast-twitch fibres. Therefore, rather than classifying by sex, sprinters could be classified by their level of muscle mass and fast-twitch fibres.

In another example, in sports such as high jump, volleyball and basketball, athletes could be classified according to muscle mass and height.

Finally, in an endurance sport, athletes could be classified according to muscle mass and lung capacity. An example of categories under our alternative model is presented below.

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I mean...I could not care any less about sports if I tried but this idea sounds fine to me

It'd be like different weight classes in MMA or something, you know?

[Simon 1,546]

3 minutes ago, Meruk Holland said:

They should just do away with gendered categories in totality. They only exist because men's egos can't handle being beaten by women. 

What are you talking about? Whether you like it or not, men are better at sports and removing gendered categories would mean that women would never win. This is biology. 

Here https://blog.sportsrecruits.com/2017/03/06/using-top-swimming-times-to-find-your-best-fit/

You can find average times for the best woman and for the best men. There isn't a single better score for a woman than for men