Azealia Banks beefing with Billie Eilish

[gerbilgal 22]

16 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Yet here she is on a tour that sold out within minutes playing huge venues with thousands seeing her every at every show and having a blast lmao. Not sure what your definition of "boring" and "isn't main stage material" is but she's clearly neither and she has her whole career so far to show for it. 

the people have spoken

[Celloo Deng 54,579]

20 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Yet here she is on a tour that sold out within minutes playing huge venues with thousands seeing her every at every show and having a blast lmao. Not sure what your definition of "boring" and "isn't main stage material" is but she's clearly neither and she has her whole career so far to show for it. 

omg drag them

[Dojo 19,365]

21 minutes ago, gerbilgal said:

the people have spoken

did they? 

[gerbilgal 22]

1 hour ago, dojo said:

did they? 

Ooooh snap!

[StrawberryBlond 14,648]

12 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

That's what the people annoyed by the comments about Beyoncé being overrated don't get, medias tell us everything she does is groundbreaking and an historical event in itself since nearly a decade...

Of course she's talented af but she can still be overrated when "sold" this way.

Exactly, her PR have been gassing her fans up way too long. She shouldn't need this excessive PR anymore, she got back on her feet after the under-performance of 4 but her team still won't let up. Excessive marketing campaigns for albums like we should all drop what we're doing to listen to her (and buy an album in full without hearing any singles first), prefacing upcoming performances with the promise that this will make history, campaigning for a ridiculous amount of Grammy awards in a year where she didn't even release an album...it's no wonder her fans fall for it and go with the party line. And her PR should really realise that the public at large has tired of it all. I see more comments now more than ever that Beyonce is overrated, there's definitely a bit of a potential backlash brewing if her next album doesn't deliver. I don't know why her team don't see this coming. Did they not think that by holding her up as a goddess, it would make people examine her voice, music, performances, sales, chart placements, etc. with a fine-toothed comb and super-high expectations and find that it's all a bit over-rated? Her sales and chart placements are really not what you'd expect for someone of her apparent calibre and and yet we're told that her work is impacting everyone, which we can clearly see is false.

The praise used to be organic back in the day, not anymore. Her music hasn't spoken for itself in a long time. And no, releasing an album with no warning isn't letting the music speak for itself because when a superstar does that, it creates conversation by design. If she's this successful, she shouldn't have to rely on these scams to get people to listen to her music, they would listen regardless. The Beyonce PR phenomenon from 2013 to present really is a perfect example of how media can gaslight millions. I hope one day, we'll wake up from it and realise what we're being told doesn't hold up to reality.

[Prada 1,200]

29 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Exactly, her PR have been gassing her fans up way too long. She shouldn't need this excessive PR anymore, she got back on her feet after the under-performance of 4 but her team still won't let up. Excessive marketing campaigns for albums like we should all drop what we're doing to listen to her (and buy an album in full without hearing any singles first), prefacing upcoming performances with the promise that this will make history, campaigning for a ridiculous amount of Grammy awards in a year where she didn't even release an album...it's no wonder her fans fall for it and go with the party line. And her PR should really realise that the public at large has tired of it all. I see more comments now more than ever that Beyonce is overrated, there's definitely a bit of a potential backlash brewing if her next album doesn't deliver. I don't know why her team don't see this coming. Did they not think that by holding her up as a goddess, it would make people examine her voice, music, performances, sales, chart placements, etc. with a fine-toothed comb and super-high expectations and find that it's all a bit over-rated? Her sales and chart placements are really not what you'd expect for someone of her apparent calibre and and yet we're told that her work is impacting everyone, which we can clearly see is false.

The praise used to be organic back in the day, not anymore. Her music hasn't spoken for itself in a long time. And no, releasing an album with no warning isn't letting the music speak for itself because when a superstar does that, it creates conversation by design. If she's this successful, she shouldn't have to rely on these scams to get people to listen to her music, they would listen regardless. The Beyonce PR phenomenon from 2013 to present really is a perfect example of how media can gaslight millions. I hope one day, we'll wake up from it and realise what we're being told doesn't hold up to reality.

I believe we have been gaslighted about her latest albums, and as you say record sales etc.  but someone in Beyonce's caliber do not need new songs etc. Because she is the BEST performer alive. That performance quality makes the gaslight fact diminish.. Otherwise, you wont buy the fact that someone else is queen if media pushes that person. Excessive marketing works if a person is already great. and I mean, who can perform better than her? 

I agree. Her latest albums have benefited from marketing etc. However, even with an album like Lemonade, or anything that includes a message, Beyonce can create something praise worthy because her vocals and dance can make it great. Lately, she does not use art fact but who cares. I think she is the best performer and thats what public cares about. I never feel more alive or impressed while watching someone else. 

For example, I couldnt care less about the songs in Coachella, and I have to admit, I dont know much of them. (lately I do not listen much of what any artist creates)  but who can perform like that? she can make even a so-so song feel alive. I watched that coachella as a movie. You can see that she works soooo hard and it is divine. 

That is something marketing cant buy.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,318]

1 hour ago, Prada said:

I believe we have been gaslighted about her latest albums, and as you say record sales etc.  but someone in Beyonce's caliber do not need new songs etc. Because she is the BEST performer alive. That performance quality makes the gaslight fact diminish.. Otherwise, you wont buy the fact that someone else is queen if media pushes that person. Excessive marketing works if a person is already great. and I mean, who can perform better than her? 

I agree. Her latest albums have benefited from marketing etc. However, even with an album like Lemonade, or anything that includes a message, Beyonce can create something praise worthy because her vocals and dance can make it great. Lately, she does not use art fact but who cares. I think she is the best performer and thats what public cares about. I never feel more alive or impressed while watching someone else. 

For example, I couldnt care less about the songs in Coachella, and I have to admit, I dont know much of them. (lately I do not listen much of what any artist creates)  but who can perform like that? she can make even a so-so song feel alive. I watched that coachella as a movie. You can see that she works soooo hard and it is divine. 

That is something marketing cant buy.

True but she's soooo over-sold that even being as talented as she is isn't enough anymore seing how often she's called overrated.

Her last Oscar performance was one more example, sold as something that would be discussed for years yet quite forgettable imo, no matter how good of a performer she is.

The Coachella gig you mentioned was presented as something even Michael Jackson doesn't have when nobody can seriously say he would have anything to envy in any current popstar carreer, Beyoncé's one or others...

The praise is just so bold it's counter-productive and annoying more and more...

[Guillaume Hamon 6,318]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Exactly, her PR have been gassing her fans up way too long. She shouldn't need this excessive PR anymore, she got back on her feet after the under-performance of 4 but her team still won't let up. Excessive marketing campaigns for albums like we should all drop what we're doing to listen to her (and buy an album in full without hearing any singles first), prefacing upcoming performances with the promise that this will make history, campaigning for a ridiculous amount of Grammy awards in a year where she didn't even release an album...it's no wonder her fans fall for it and go with the party line. And her PR should really realise that the public at large has tired of it all. I see more comments now more than ever that Beyonce is overrated, there's definitely a bit of a potential backlash brewing if her next album doesn't deliver. I don't know why her team don't see this coming. Did they not think that by holding her up as a goddess, it would make people examine her voice, music, performances, sales, chart placements, etc. with a fine-toothed comb and super-high expectations and find that it's all a bit over-rated? Her sales and chart placements are really not what you'd expect for someone of her apparent calibre and and yet we're told that her work is impacting everyone, which we can clearly see is false.

The praise used to be organic back in the day, not anymore. Her music hasn't spoken for itself in a long time. And no, releasing an album with no warning isn't letting the music speak for itself because when a superstar does that, it creates conversation by design. If she's this successful, she shouldn't have to rely on these scams to get people to listen to her music, they would listen regardless. The Beyonce PR phenomenon from 2013 to present really is a perfect example of how media can gaslight millions. I hope one day, we'll wake up from it and realise what we're being told doesn't hold up to reality.

Yes the visual album stuff was done by bjork before Beyoncé yet Bey was presented as a game-changer over it and Bork got no flowers for it.

Other artists like Janelle monae or Christine and the queens are just as deserving musically speaking imo yet it's Bey music that get presented intensively as a huge event each time.

The "false phenomenon" thing went bigger after the false streams doubt with tidal... Boosting your impact with marketing is one thing but false commercial results is an other.

[littlepotter 74,830]

Whatever billie says people ride her d*ck

[StrawberryBlond 14,648]

2 hours ago, Prada said:

I believe we have been gaslighted about her latest albums, and as you say record sales etc.  but someone in Beyonce's caliber do not need new songs etc. Because she is the BEST performer alive. That performance quality makes the gaslight fact diminish.. Otherwise, you wont buy the fact that someone else is queen if media pushes that person. Excessive marketing works if a person is already great. and I mean, who can perform better than her? 

I agree. Her latest albums have benefited from marketing etc. However, even with an album like Lemonade, or anything that includes a message, Beyonce can create something praise worthy because her vocals and dance can make it great. Lately, she does not use art fact but who cares. I think she is the best performer and thats what public cares about. I never feel more alive or impressed while watching someone else. 

For example, I couldnt care less about the songs in Coachella, and I have to admit, I dont know much of them. (lately I do not listen much of what any artist creates)  but who can perform like that? she can make even a so-so song feel alive. I watched that coachella as a movie. You can see that she works soooo hard and it is divine. 

That is something marketing cant buy.

I definitely don't think she's the best performer alive, especially not now. Gaga can play instruments, has a more versatile voice and can adapt to any genre, things that have eluded Beyonce her entire career. Had it not been for her fibro, Gaga would still be giving it her all with dancing as well. I'm really not being biased when I say this - Gaga is the best at the moment. While Beyonce's having some down time, people are realising that more and more with every passing year. And, with Gaga, it comes from a genuine place of loving the art, I feel Beyonce just does it for the accolades and clout. Going by their recent Superbowl performance, I'd say Shakira and J-Lo are also better performers (maybe not singers, but as a performance package). Being able to sing and dance is not a newfound thing that Beyonce invented, yet people treat it like it is.

Her vocals have taken a back seat for years. She was all about the voice early in her career. By the time self-titled hit, it's clear she was more about dancing and performance. I've actually noticed how raspy her voice is in recent times. Granted, her recent Grammy performance had the best vocals I've heard from her in a while, but they're rarer these days. You really don't feel as alive and impressed watching anyone else? Not even the person this forum is dedicated to?

The Coachella performance was that good because she knew she would never be able to perform like that again. She'd just had the twins and knew her body was getting older and couldn't be up to constant intensive dancing much longer, so she dieted, exercised and trained like crazy so she could put on that last big show and she's never done anything that impressive since. But it was good enough that its all her fans have continued living the glory of it ever since while sidestepping that she can't perform like that now. Her Grammys performance was cleverly presented so that it looked like she was dancing when she was standing still and her dancers around her did all the work. So, I certainly don't buy that she remains the best performer of the moment. Gaga, like I mentioned previously, also can't dance in the same way she used to but she makes up for that by slaying with the piano, her vocals and her undeniable passion for the arts. I disagree that Beyonce can make a so-so song into something amazing. I see her lesser work for what it is and no amount of performance art around it can convince me otherwise. If the song is not good, it makes everything else fall apart in my eyes. If a song isn't good, I can only be so impressed by the performance. I recently explained this to another user by pointing out that the reason artists who aren't on Beyonce's performance level get praised for a mediocre show with lack of stage presence is because the viewers like the song, which changes everything. I believe the music should take centre stage and the performance should be secondary.

43 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Yes the visual album stuff was done by bjork before Beyoncé yet Bey was presented as a game-changer over it and Bork got no flowers for it.

Other artists like Janelle monae or Christine and the queens are just as deserving musically speaking imo yet it's Bey music that get presented intensively as a huge event each time.

The "false phenomenon" thing went bigger after the false streams doubt with tidal... Boosting your impact with marketing is one thing but false commercial results is an other.

Dropping an entire album had been done before as well, but apparently, it only counts when a major artist does it and they get the ultimate credit. Talk about "history is written by the winners," right? Gaga's team also attempted a reinvention inspired by Beyonce post-ARTPOP and its results were spectacular. But the difference was, there was no narrative pushed about Gaga being the greatest or perfect. That way, the critics who praised her felt legit, the sales that resulted from the public felt legit, her star power felt legit. With Beyonce, its felt for a long time that she's getting good reviews because of who she is, that she's winning Grammys because of who she is, that she's selling music because of who she is, all because of the aggressive PR narrative that she is a goddess among mortals. The Tidal thing also got my back up because making her album exclusive to that service was like a scam to get people using it as it was nowhere near as popular as initially hoped. Jay-Z's figures for his album that people forgot about after a month and produced no hits was even more suspicious, so it's definitely a case of shared interests at that shady service.

[SevenWonder 4,277]

Billie's ascension to MPG status is complete.