Oscars boost sales for best song, except Beyonce

[Roughhouse Dandy 11,567]

59 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

Beyoncé’s fans ruined her for me. That, and the fact that she hasn’t released a catchy song since like 2012. 
 

BUT- it has to be saying something when you think the performance she did for the Oscar’s was meh- when she puts 100 percent effort into the performance, visual, and still serves good vocals. A “meh” performance from her is equal to a fantastic performance from others. 
 

I will say, her performances haven’t really changed much in the past decade. She always delivers a similar vibe and look. 

It really is wild that she can gather a huge predominantly black female band to perform where the movie took place, pay tribute to an influential black city, sounds great, looks great dressed in a brand she created, dances great, has her daughter out there being great, and yet all she can muster from the ever-bitter crowd is "meh".

The effort put into her productions usually are more than anyone else is serving by miles. But "mEh! fLoP"

I wonder why that is 🤔 

[boyerased 2,886]

Is it visually stunning and well-produced? Yes. The context was even good. She performed well. Did I find it boring? Yes too. The song didn’t help. Both can be true for me. Perfection can be a bore sometimes and that’s okay. Context and nuances doesn’t automatically make a performance. Maybe the public just didn’t resonate with it and it didn’t help that some Oscar guy overhyped it. 
 

I love B. You just can’t “slay” every time and that’s okay. She’s still a legend who cares if she’s not delivering stats only stans care about.  

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3 hours ago, Joaco95 said:

Sorry, this is silly. Just because some fans over twitter made "a massacre" during some era doesn't mean you can throw shade and say crap about their fave artist. As someone said, Gaga is always preaching about being the better person but as always, when one bey thread pops up, there is always at least a few user throwing shade or saying nasty things about her, ALWAYS.

Don't expect some bey fans so look at it and say nothing, 'cause we all know we will defend Gaga for something similar.

You can dislike her, that's fine, you can say you don't like x song or her art or many things, but to throw hate left and right as this was some random twitter thread, uh chile... don't try to come as you were always the nice fanbase.

Also, humble? lmao you guys are always the first person to compare x artist aesthetics with some Gaga era as she was the very first one to do it or she was the creator of everything, just look the Miley's new live album thing, it was all full of "it looks like tfm", you're always reaching 

no offence but when you re-read the first page, it was you who started shading gaga for no reason for promoting Shallow to try and defend beyonce and it (rightfully) rubbed gaga fans the wrong way 

none of the comments prior were out of pocket or hateful, just opinions and no worse than i see on here about gaga herself

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2 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Nah, I'll be over here continuing my chill and eye rolling at flop fans embarrassing themselves online by being rude for no reason 

Whatever IDGAF 

[Adelita 3,177]

2 hours ago, Joaco95 said:

I know where I am and where I stand. 

I stopped coming here years ago because the hate towards Bey was too much (as I stan both and couldn't understand the hate for each other if there was Telephone/Videophone) and now that I decided to come for Chromatica, most of the hate still remains here.

I'm not asking you all to put her in a pedestal, you can dislike her as much as you want but everytime she success in something you all are always "she's so overrated" and when she doesn't you always drag her to the pits instead of giving a respectful opinion or if you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all 

You all should know better since we couldn't said anything back in the BTW era with the Madonna drama, her fans used to drag us to the pits, yet almost everyone here does the same to Beyonce without any reason at all.

The song was top 50 on itunes (idk why anyone would care about itunes anymore) and the performance had 2.5m views in 24hrs, that ain't bad for a song it wasn't promoted at all, not hype, no campaing, not anything.

I don't know why you're still here if you don't like what you see, no one is holding you here, get out and go to a Beyoncé forum if you're a fan of hers, there is no place for pressed stans of other artists here, this is a Gaga forum and I hope you realize this, don't think you're going to say whatever comes to mind your mind and we will be silent. Also, I don't know why you randomly insert Madonna into the discussion, very nonsense...

The only fact here is that you, like every Beyoncé fan, get mad when they expose that Beyoncé's "success" is nothing more than fool's gold, and more and more people are realizing that.

[Adelita 3,177]

2 hours ago, NCgaga said:

Beyoncé’s fans ruined her for me. That, and the fact that she hasn’t released a catchy song since like 2012. 
 

BUT- it has to be saying something when you think the performance she did for the Oscar’s was meh- when she puts 100 percent effort into the performance, visual, and still serves good vocals. A “meh” performance from her is equal to a fantastic performance from others. 
 

I will say, her performances haven’t really changed much in the past decade. She always delivers a similar vibe and look. 

Please, she only paraded on that court, didn't even dance, the performance wasn't even live and we don't know how many times she recorded that until it became something minimally good and she always needs 100 dancers and musicians on stage to mask her lack of talent, stop overestimating her.

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

23 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I love seeing all the dissertations on how Beyonce is and always will be overrated trash everytime she performs beautifully yet fails to impress the terminally online gays. You guys are the best. 

None of us are saying she's trash. None of us are saying that she performed badly, just that it was a case of "same old same old" and a bit dull. And not all of us are gay men - I'm a straight woman.

4 hours ago, Joaco95 said:

I know where I am and where I stand. 

I stopped coming here years ago because the hate towards Bey was too much (as I stan both and couldn't understand the hate for each other if there was Telephone/Videophone) and now that I decided to come for Chromatica, most of the hate still remains here.

I'm not asking you all to put her in a pedestal, you can dislike her as much as you want but everytime she success in something you all are always "she's so overrated" and when she doesn't you always drag her to the pits instead of giving a respectful opinion or if you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all 

You all should know better since we couldn't said anything back in the BTW era with the Madonna drama, her fans used to drag us to the pits, yet almost everyone here does the same to Beyonce without any reason at all.

The song was top 50 on itunes (idk why anyone would care about itunes anymore) and the performance had 2.5m views in 24hrs, that ain't bad for a song it wasn't promoted at all, not hype, no campaing, not anything.

It's the same on every fan forum. People lavish love and praise on the subject of the forum, a bit more average/hate reaction to everyone else, particularly if they're a rival or there's fanbase tension. This isn't unique to a Gaga forum, nor is it unique to Beyonce. Have you ever been to the biggest Britney and Madonna forums? They hate on anyone who isn't their respective faves.

We don't drag her for no reason at all. There are clear reasons outlined, you just don't agree with them. The reason why so many people make a point of saying she's overrated is because her fans and PR team have repeatedly tried to make us believe for years that everything she does produces huge success, that she's the most talented person in the industry, that she's an undisputed queen in every way. Fact is that the figures show that she doesn't chart or sell as well as her peers, her music isn't connecting with the public like it used to, her performances aren't pulling in as much attention as they used to and she's not been widely talked about for some time. We can see these things with our eyes, hear them with our ears, feel them them in our consciousness. Yet, we're told that she's Beyonce, she's always on top. We're realising this isn't the case and calling it out. Her PR might get the message eventually and start re-branding her as someone more down to earth and relatable and stop over-hyping her as this is partly what is turning people away. Look at the most successful artists right now - Ed, Taylor, Adele, Gaga, Ariana, Dua. They've gained that success because they promote, they give interviews, they show a great amount of personality, they have a close connection to fans, they can laugh and show deep emotions. Beyonce has been lacking these things for years, that's why she fails to connect with many people. It amazes me that she's still using this whole "distant other-worldly diva who is above it all and whose mere presence is enough to make people faint" image. It's so dated and the public don't want this from entertainers anymore.

2 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

It really is wild that she can gather a huge predominantly black female band to perform where the movie took place, pay tribute to an influential black city, sounds great, looks great dressed in a brand she created, dances great, has her daughter out there being great, and yet all she can muster from the ever-bitter crowd is "meh".

The effort put into her productions usually are more than anyone else is serving by miles. But "mEh! fLoP"

I wonder why that is 🤔 

This has nothing to do with race. It has all to do with the song being bland, the acid green theme hurting our eyes, the lack of exciting imagery going on for such a long period of time. The song took so long to begin and then took even longer to properly start once that whole unnecessary "Oscars, horns, strings" intro was done. Beyonce didn't even dance, like she's famous for (not knocking that, having twins took a lot out of her, just saying that she isn't the dance powerhouse she used to be) but instead just strutted or stood still while the dancers moved around her, giving the impression that she was moving when she actually wasn't. The whole thing had no reason to be pre-recorded, she could've had less dancers and performed on the stage live and it probably would've looked better. The whole performance was all about style over substance, hoping to distract us with bright colours, lots of backing dancers and good vocals to detract from the song being very lacklustre. And considering the song is supposed to be the focus, this is a problem.

[Roughhouse Dandy 11,567]

52 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

None of us are saying she's trash. None of us are saying that she performed badly, just that it was a case of "same old same old" and a bit dull. And not all of us are gay men - I'm a straight woman.

It's the same on every fan forum. People lavish love and praise on the subject of the forum, a bit more average/hate reaction to everyone else, particularly if they're a rival or there's fanbase tension. This isn't unique to a Gaga forum, nor is it unique to Beyonce. Have you ever been to the biggest Britney and Madonna forums? They hate on anyone who isn't their respective faves.

We don't drag her for no reason at all. There are clear reasons outlined, you just don't agree with them. The reason why so many people make a point of saying she's overrated is because her fans and PR team have repeatedly tried to make us believe for years that everything she does produces huge success, that she's the most talented person in the industry, that she's an undisputed queen in every way. Fact is that the figures show that she doesn't chart or sell as well as her peers, her music isn't connecting with the public like it used to, her performances aren't pulling in as much attention as they used to and she's not been widely talked about for some time. We can see these things with our eyes, hear them with our ears, feel them them in our consciousness. Yet, we're told that she's Beyonce, she's always on top. We're realising this isn't the case and calling it out. Her PR might get the message eventually and start re-branding her as someone more down to earth and relatable and stop over-hyping her as this is partly what is turning people away. Look at the most successful artists right now - Ed, Taylor, Adele, Gaga, Ariana, Dua. They've gained that success because they promote, they give interviews, they show a great amount of personality, they have a close connection to fans, they can laugh and show deep emotions. Beyonce has been lacking these things for years, that's why she fails to connect with many people. It amazes me that she's still using this whole "distant other-worldly diva who is above it all and whose mere presence is enough to make people faint" image. It's so dated and the public don't want this from entertainers anymore.

This has nothing to do with race. It has all to do with the song being bland, the acid green theme hurting our eyes, the lack of exciting imagery going on for such a long period of time. The song took so long to begin and then took even longer to properly start once that whole unnecessary "Oscars, horns, strings" intro was done. Beyonce didn't even dance, like she's famous for (not knocking that, having twins took a lot out of her, just saying that she isn't the dance powerhouse she used to be) but instead just strutted or stood still while the dancers moved around her, giving the impression that she was moving when she actually wasn't. The whole thing had no reason to be pre-recorded, she could've had less dancers and performed on the stage live and it probably would've looked better. The whole performance was all about style over substance, hoping to distract us with bright colours, lots of backing dancers and good vocals to detract from the song being very lacklustre. And considering the song is supposed to be the focus, this is a problem.

I gotchu. I didn't say it was about race though. And lucky for you, you don't apply to my comment about the terminally online gays. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even when I 100% disagree with them. It's the fact that some of the same people losing their minds about a girl walking around alone on stage barely even lipping to a song about nothing will come onto a thread about someone like Beyoncé 5 minutes later and act out like Beyoncé is the one giving us nothing. It's about the lack of consistency giving away that some of the critiques probably aren't about the performance. Which is why I said I wondered why that is. 

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i can’t be the only one who wishes we could get another love on top or single ladies. something that stands out visually and melodically and is bombastic

 

maybe i’m not paying attention to her deeper cuts though

[Adelita 3,177]

On 3/30/2022 at 7:06 PM, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I love seeing all the dissertations on how Beyonce is and always will be overrated trash everytime she performs beautifully yet fails to impress the terminally online gays. You guys are the best. 

As if beyhive weren't made up half gays and half homophobic people lmfao

[Adelita 3,177]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

None of us are saying she's trash. None of us are saying that she performed badly, just that it was a case of "same old same old" and a bit dull. And not all of us are gay men - I'm a straight woman.

It's the same on every fan forum. People lavish love and praise on the subject of the forum, a bit more average/hate reaction to everyone else, particularly if they're a rival or there's fanbase tension. This isn't unique to a Gaga forum, nor is it unique to Beyonce. Have you ever been to the biggest Britney and Madonna forums? They hate on anyone who isn't their respective faves.

We don't drag her for no reason at all. There are clear reasons outlined, you just don't agree with them. The reason why so many people make a point of saying she's overrated is because her fans and PR team have repeatedly tried to make us believe for years that everything she does produces huge success, that she's the most talented person in the industry, that she's an undisputed queen in every way. Fact is that the figures show that she doesn't chart or sell as well as her peers, her music isn't connecting with the public like it used to, her performances aren't pulling in as much attention as they used to and she's not been widely talked about for some time. We can see these things with our eyes, hear them with our ears, feel them them in our consciousness. Yet, we're told that she's Beyonce, she's always on top. We're realising this isn't the case and calling it out. Her PR might get the message eventually and start re-branding her as someone more down to earth and relatable and stop over-hyping her as this is partly what is turning people away. Look at the most successful artists right now - Ed, Taylor, Adele, Gaga, Ariana, Dua. They've gained that success because they promote, they give interviews, they show a great amount of personality, they have a close connection to fans, they can laugh and show deep emotions. Beyonce has been lacking these things for years, that's why she fails to connect with many people. It amazes me that she's still using this whole "distant other-worldly diva who is above it all and whose mere presence is enough to make people faint" image. It's so dated and the public don't want this from entertainers anymore.

This has nothing to do with race. It has all to do with the song being bland, the acid green theme hurting our eyes, the lack of exciting imagery going on for such a long period of time. The song took so long to begin and then took even longer to properly start once that whole unnecessary "Oscars, horns, strings" intro was done. Beyonce didn't even dance, like she's famous for (not knocking that, having twins took a lot out of her, just saying that she isn't the dance powerhouse she used to be) but instead just strutted or stood still while the dancers moved around her, giving the impression that she was moving when she actually wasn't. The whole thing had no reason to be pre-recorded, she could've had less dancers and performed on the stage live and it probably would've looked better. The whole performance was all about style over substance, hoping to distract us with bright colours, lots of backing dancers and good vocals to detract from the song being very lacklustre. And considering the song is supposed to be the focus, this is a problem.

Tell 'em girl

People bought her boringness in 2016, but this is 2022, nobody is here to see Beyoncé and her 100 employees perform this boring, Freedom-demo song, wearing cheap-looking clothes in an eye-straining color.

Someone has to warn her that sometimes less is more.

[Roughhouse Dandy 11,567]

1 hour ago, Adelita said:

As if beyhive weren't made up half gays and half homophobic people lmfao

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

2 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I gotchu. I didn't say it was about race though. And lucky for you, you don't apply to my comment about the terminally online gays. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even when I 100% disagree with them. It's the fact that some of the same people losing their minds about a girl walking around alone on stage barely even lipping to a song about nothing will come onto a thread about someone like Beyoncé 5 minutes later and act out like Beyoncé is the one giving us nothing. It's about the lack of consistency giving away that some of the critiques probably aren't about the performance. Which is why I said I wondered why that is. 

You put a focus on race in what you said and when most people make responses like this, it's a subtle way of saying that detractors are racist. If that's not what you meant, fair enough, but most of us find this suggestion tiring at best, offensive at worst, so we're very defensive when it's said. When you say that you want to know why some people think someone of lesser talent is great but Beyonce doesn't impress them, it comes down to the simple fact of the song being good and connecting with the listener. I'm all about the song. If the song is to my taste, I don't mind if the vocals are average or the set is boring or there's a lack of stage presence. A good song makes up for all of that. And it also helps if the singer, even if they aren't the best, is enjoying the song, is present in the moment, is feeling the words they're singing. In contrast, a good performance can't make up for a bad song in my book. I'd rather watch a great song performed average than a mediocre song performed well. But the accepted wisdom in the music industry is that the more bells and whistles you throw at a song, the more audiences will appreciate it, but we know that's not true. No connection to the song = disconnect with the overall performance. Some Beyonce performances have wowed me, and they tend to be the ones that involve good songs, are ever so slightly imperfect and where she seems a bit more unguarded and free. Perfection is not only overrated, it doesn't exist, so I wish Beyonce would stop chasing it, as that quest for perfection sends out an energy that leaves a lot of us cold.