jaXXXon 1,538 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 11:19 PM, Mister Gaga said: "in talks" = if she gets the oscar, she opens the show that must be the deal Billie has been winning everywhere and Encanto is a close second if Billie doesn't win it, so Beyoncé isn't favored to win at all. The Oscars are pretty fair so the voters won't give it to Beyoncé just because they want her to attend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaXXXon 1,538 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 hours ago, streamstarcrossed said: The academy can do whatever it wants in that regard. It’s not even a secret how people can outright ‘pay’ for awards. Um, yes. Is it not not obvious to you that it is? Celebrities have literally spoken about the terms they were expected to abide by in order to win. This is exactly what you implied in your original comment though - that by Beyoncé being in talks to perform, or show up, she is somehow desperate for an award. If that’s not what you meant then your comment seems really out of nowhere and you’ve accused Beyoncé of being desperate for an award with nothing to support that idea. Guurl. What in the actual fvck are you talking about? The Oscars aren't like that. If they were, they would've nominated Spider-Man: No Way Home and other movies that were big hits and not small indie movies nobody's seen. If they were desperate for ratings they would've also nominated Ariana Grande for Don't Look Up and Gaga for Best Actress. They would've hired Tom Holland to host etc. Back in 2017 Justin Timberlake opened the Oscars with his huge hit "Can't Stop The Feeling" and... it lost the Oscar. You can't pay for an Oscar. Too many members (literally tens of thousands) and that would require MILLIONS of dollars which would also come out pretty fast considering how you can't keep 50,000 people from talking lol. The only thing that counts towards the Oscars are campaigns and how well executed they are and EVEN THEN it's not a sure thing as seen with Francis McDormand or Olivia Colman winning by almost not campaigning at all So, no... you've mistaken the Golden Globes with the Oscars. This aren't the VMAs or the Teen Choice Awards which is also why they're still held to such a high regard in show business compared to the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gibson 3,498 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, jaXXXon said: The only thing that counts towards the Oscars are campaigns and how well executed they are and EVEN THEN it's not a sure thing as seen with Francis McDormand or Olivia Colman winning by almost not campaigning at all Them didn't go to events but their respective films were some of the most campaign in those years. Their exposure was too big to ignore. But yeah your whole point is correct. Oscars aren't directly bought like that but a good studio make everything they can to make their films visible to voters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streamstarcrossed 409 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, jaXXXon said: If they were desperate for ratings they would've also nominated Ariana Grande for Don't Look Up and Gaga for Best Actress. They would've hired Tom Holland to host etc. I didn’t say they were desperate for ratings. I don’t think that and I didn’t mention ratings at all lol. 9 minutes ago, jaXXXon said: Back in 2017 Justin Timberlake opened the Oscars with his huge hit "Can't Stop The Feeling" and... it lost the Oscar. …Right, so knowing that performing doesn’t guarantee a win, my question to the original commenter was how does negotiating a performance give off desperation for the award? - Which had nothing to do with most of what you’ve replied with. 15 minutes ago, jaXXXon said: You can't pay for an Oscar. Not typically with money, but you certainly can. That’s why I put “pay” in quotations. If you watched the clip linked or any of the other videos or articles like it, you’d see what I meant. There are ways to influence academy voters that don’t require monetary payments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny21 608 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 hours ago, streamstarcrossed said: This is exactly what you implied in your original comment though - that by Beyoncé being in talks to perform, or show up, she is somehow desperate for an award. If that’s not what you meant then your comment seems really out of nowhere and you’ve accused Beyoncé of being desperate for an award with nothing to support that idea. @streamstarcrossedThat was @jeremiahsaint100 (see below) who said "oh god the desperation for an oscar is real," NOT ME !! You replied to @jeremiahsaint100! I replied to YOU because I'm a Beyoncé fan and you DRAGGED her in your reply. You said she's performing only because the Academy will GIVE her an award! So you're saying... if Bey wins, it's NOT because she got the most votes. It's because the Academy BRIBED PwC, the accountants... to move Bey up to number one?? Really? 🤔 Because she agreed to perform her nominated song? The Oscars is not the Teen Choice Awards! How is it "desperate" to perform a nominated song?? EVERYBODY'S doing it, unless they're have prior commitments! 20 hours ago, jeremiahsaint1000 said: oh god the desperation for an oscar is real, this wont come close to the impact shallow had. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny21 608 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, jaXXXon said: Guurl. What in the actual fvck are you talking about? The Oscars aren't like that. If they were, they would've nominated Spider-Man: No Way Home and other movies that were big hits and not small indie movies nobody's seen. If they were desperate for ratings they would've also nominated Ariana Grande for Don't Look Up and Gaga for Best Actress. They would've hired Tom Holland to host etc. Back in 2017 Justin Timberlake opened the Oscars with his huge hit "Can't Stop The Feeling" and... it lost the Oscar. You can't pay for an Oscar. Too many members (literally tens of thousands) and that would require MILLIONS of dollars which would also come out pretty fast considering how you can't keep 50,000 people from talking lol. The only thing that counts towards the Oscars are campaigns and how well executed they are and EVEN THEN it's not a sure thing as seen with Francis McDormand or Olivia Colman winning by almost not campaigning at all So, no... you've mistaken the Golden Globes with the Oscars. This aren't the VMAs or the Teen Choice Awards which is also why they're still held to such a high regard in show business compared to the rest. Finally, someone talking some sense! It's hard to tell if some people actually believe it's possible to "buy" an Oscar, or if they're just saying that to drag Bey and Gaga. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar Baby 846 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Sorry Beyonce but Billie Eilish is getting that Oscar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaco95 1,631 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I will remind you all that beyonce didnt make any campaing for the oscars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streamstarcrossed 409 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sunny21 said: @streamstarcrossedThat was @jeremiahsaint100 (see below) who said "oh god the desperation for an oscar is real," NOT ME !! I know. Hence why I said “the original commenter.” The original commenter being jeremiahsaint100. edit: I see what you mean now. I was referring to jerimiahsaint’s comment but accidentally worded it as if it was your comment. 1 hour ago, Sunny21 said: I replied to YOU because I'm a Beyoncé fan and you DRAGGED her in your reply. You said she's performing only because the Academy will GIVE her an award! I did not drag her lol and I never said this. My exact words are still in this thread. You can reread them until you fully comprehend them. Relax instead of thinking any mention of Beyoncé is a drag, meanwhile there’s people all over this site who blatantly have no problem straight up disrespecting her. I’m a Beyoncé fan too and my comment to the original commenter was in her defense. 1 hour ago, Sunny21 said: So you're saying... if Bey wins, it's NOT because she got the most votes. It's because the Academy BRIBED PwC, the accountants... to move Bey up to number one?? Really? 🤔 Lol no. Just, no. I was speaking hypothetically when I said “If the academy wants to give Beyoncé an award for performing a song, that’s their prerogative” because the commenter I was replying to seemed to imply that Beyoncé being asked to perform means that she thinks an Oscar win is guaranteed. It does not. I continued on to say that if it did mean that, then we should question who has rightfully earned their Oscar for their artistry vs appealing to, pandering to, or bribing the academy. 1 hour ago, Sunny21 said: How is it "desperate" to perform a nominated song?? It’s not, and that’s the exact point I made which you’ve misinterpreted. That being said, I don’t think the Oscars is so prestigious that it’s somehow above the teen choice (or any other shady award show) when it comes to corruption. I believe there are a mix of people who get lucky, rightfully, and are awarded as they should be, and some who secure wins by other means - bribing, etc. This shouldn’t be a controversial take. There are actors who have verified this speaking openly about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTI WP 19,825 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Dreammonster said: Encanto is going to take the oscar for best original song. If it does i'll be happy because I don't want either Billie or Beyonce to get it. Same but not for that reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny21 608 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 hours ago, streamstarcrossed said: The academy can do whatever it wants in that regard. It’s not even a secret how people can outright ‘pay’ for awards. How do you BRIBE (Cash? Credit?) >20% of 9,500 Academy MEMBERS to vote for you online? How? 😂 The Academy has more than 10,000 members, with almost 9,500 eligible to vote. Finals voting is also conducted ONLINE. During finals, all Oscar categories are on the ballot for voting members. After final ballots are tabulated, only TWO PARTNERS of PricewaterhouseCoopers (accounting firm) know the results until the famous envelopes are OPENED onstage during the Oscars telecast. How do you pay 9,500 members to vote for you online?? How? It CAN'T be done! Hearsay is NOT proof! Urban legends? Conspiracy theories? Testimonials? Ingesting bleach cures COVID-19? Sorry. Whoever wins Best Original Song - Beyoncé, Billie, Diane, Lin-Manuel or Van Morrison, they win FAIR and square. 🙂 https://www.oscars.org/oscars/voting she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streamstarcrossed 409 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Sunny21 said: How do you pay 9,500 members to vote for you online?? How? It CAN'T be done! I’m not explaining this again. Watch the video, read articles on the topic, or don’t. In short: you don’t pay all of them. Artists can pay (in money or by other means) member(s) of the voting body to basically campaign for them, and those voters basically tell other voters “hey, vote for _______.” 29 minutes ago, Sunny21 said: Whoever wins Best Original Song - Beyoncé, Billie, Diane, Lin-Manuel or Van Morrison, they win FAIR and square. 🙂 I would like to think this is true, and in this case, it likely will be simply because the voting period is over. If Beyoncé held a gun up to the academy’s head and said ‘give me the Oscar or I’m not performing,’ it’s too late for anyone to even arrange that. But just because that didn’t happen doesn’t mean the Oscars is some infallible and noble institution that is beyond persuasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joaco95 1,631 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, streamstarcrossed said: I would like to think this is true, and in this case, it likely will be simply because the voting period is over. If Beyoncé held a gun up to the academy’s head and said ‘give me the Oscar or I’m not performing,’ it’s too late for anyone to even arrange that. But just because that didn’t happen doesn’t mean the Oscars is some infallible and noble institution that is beyond persuasion. Beyonce didn't make any campaign for the Oscar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streamstarcrossed 409 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Joaco95 said: Beyonce didn't make any campaign for the Oscar Right, and I never claimed that she did. If she wins, I’ll assume that’s what the voters honestly decided. My separate point, though, was that voters can be enticed to vote for for specific films/artists as a result of shady campaigns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremiahsaint1000 487 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 shallow remains superior Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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