Fake Wokeness surrounding Kim Petras?

[Oriane 20,546]

9 minutes ago, stvn said:

You didn't lie but you also have no point. It IS different (for some people) to support someone who has said they didn't want to work with him and made it known. You are erroneously suggesting that all people who are boycotting Kim are doing it so Dr Luke gets no coins, but that is false. People are also boycotting her for being complicit and calling Dr. Luke a liar. So while someone like Doja also benefits Luke when you stream her, it is NOT the same thing. Stop making it out to be. If people were saying that the only reason they did it was to not put money in Luke's pocket, you'd be correct. But that's not what people are saying. People still want to support women (even when unfortunately it also supports him) just to support THEM. The issue here is that people don't want to support KIM because of her messy statements about this (calling Kesha a liar) and the fact that she signed with him way later than anyone else. So you are starting with a false premise. Good deflection though. 

It's been 4 pages and you're the first one who points this out, I was starting to lose faith seeing all these replies that don't even address what the OP is saying, maybe we're the only people who actually read it

[stvn 606]

6 minutes ago, Oriane said:

It's been 4 pages and you're the first one who points this out, I was starting to lose faith seeing all these replies that don't even address what the OP is saying, maybe we're the only people who actually read it

Thank you

[stvn 606]

20 minutes ago, ajmsamuel said:

this is the only comment that matters here.

lets focus on the raptist and not the ppl who support him. at the end of the day.. the evil is him

Or how about supporting women who didn't deserve to be drawn into his mess despite him getting coins and then not supporting women who knowingly got into his mess? You get it? It's not the same thing. I can support Doja because I know she doesn't like Luke and I know she signed with him way before the Kesha stuff. So she doesn't deserve to be punished for his bad behavior. Kim is a different story. She called Kesha a liar and signed with him long after the allegations. So she deserves to be punished along with him. Do you get the difference? I'm not saying Kim has done as many evil things as Luke by any stretch, I'm saying she has crossed a line for me that makes me not want to support her. And she should have known better. For the others that worked with them -- they don't deserve a boycott because it wasn't their fault and they weren't complicit in the way that Kim was. Get it?

[LadyxGaGa 1,674]

4 minutes ago, stvn said:

Or how about supporting women who didn't deserve to be drawn into his mess despite him getting coins and then not supporting women who knowingly got into his mess? You get it? It's not the same thing. I can support Doja because I know she doesn't like Luke and I know she signed with him way before the Kesha stuff. So she doesn't deserve to be punished for his bad behavior. Kim is a different story. She called Kesha a liar and signed with him long after the allegations. So she deserves to be punished along with him. Do you get the difference? I'm not saying Kim has done as many evil things as Luke by any stretch, I'm saying she has crossed a line for me that makes me not want to support her. And she should have known better. For the others that worked with them -- they don't deserve a boycott because it wasn't their fault and they weren't complicit in the way that Kim was. Get it?

thank u, this is it exactly to a T

kim knows the mess dr luke is, the others didnt but do now and make it known they kno


love u bestie

[ALGAYDO 31,460]

1 hour ago, jeremiahsaint1000 said:

if we ban kim petras, then you gotta ban katy, doja and every other artist he worked with..... i wish she would stop working with him because their music together isnt even that big, but we gotta be fair.

Willingly working with a rapist isn’t the same as contractually working with a rapist 

[LadyxGaGa 1,674]

8 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Willingly working with a rapist isn’t the same as contractually working with a rapist 

YASSS DRAG HER. DRAG THAT KIM AND MAKE HER FACE HER CONSEQUENCES 

[Meruk Holland 2,245]

And here I thought that this thread, by the name of the title, was gonna be about the people who defend Kim working with Luke just because she's trans. 

[stvn 606]

38 minutes ago, LadyxGaGa said:

thank u, this is it exactly to a T

kim knows the mess dr luke is, the others didnt but do now and make it known they kno


love u bestie

u too <3

[Versace 7,954]

2 hours ago, stvn said:

You didn't lie but you also have no point. It IS different (for some people) to support someone who has said they didn't want to work with him and made it known. You are erroneously suggesting that all people who are boycotting Kim are doing it so Dr Luke gets no coins, but that is false. People are also boycotting her for being complicit and calling Dr. Luke a liar. So while someone like Doja also benefits Luke when you stream her, it is NOT the same thing. Stop making it out to be. If people were saying that the only reason they did it was to not put money in Luke's pocket, you'd be correct. But that's not what people are saying. People still want to support women (even when unfortunately it also supports him) just to support THEM. The issue here is that people don't want to support KIM because of her messy statements about this (calling Kesha a liar) and the fact that she signed with him way later than anyone else. So you are starting with a false premise. Good deflection though. 

Even if it is not the same thing it leads to the same outcome, and so the point was to have a conversation around that. You either get it or you don’t tbh, I’m not going to force people to look at it objectively and then have comments on here telling me I’m starting a false premise and am deflecting. This was never about me. If some of you just want to come for me with snarky replies, sure go for it but it doesn’t add anything. No one’s trying to pin point a right opinion and a wrong opinion here. I don’t get why everything has to be THIS VS THAT. You can just respectfully give your personal stance on the matter and leave it at that. 

[stvn 606]

32 minutes ago, Versace said:

Even if it is not the same thing it leads to the same outcome, and so the point was to have a conversation around that. You either get it or you don’t tbh, I’m not going to force people to look at it objectively and then have comments on here telling me I’m starting a false premise and am deflecting. This was never about me. If some of you just want to come for me with snarky replies, sure go for it but it doesn’t add anything. No one’s trying to pin point a right opinion and a wrong opinion here. I don’t get why everything has to be THIS VS THAT. You can just respectfully give your personal stance on the matter and leave it at that. 

It literally does not lead to the same outcome. One outcome supports women who deserve the support (despite it helping an abuser monetarily) and one outcome supports women who have made bad choices (and still supports the abuser too). So it's literally NOT the same outcome and it's disingenuous and just simply incorrect to state that it is. I don't know what part of that you don't get.

Now, if someone chooses not to support ANYTHING that gives Luke money I respect that choice and their choice to do so. However, what you are saying just literally is not true. 

I'm not trying to be THIS vs THAT I'm literally pointing out the factual differences between the situations which you are still choosing to ignore. 

Just because both situations lead to Dr Luke getting coins does not mean there aren't OTHER things to consider when making the choice and other types of outcomes -- like I have repeatedly said in this thread -- so read what I said before because I'm not going to say it again. I've been very clear.

[Versace 7,954]

16 minutes ago, stvn said:

It literally does not lead to the same outcome. One outcome supports women who deserve the support (despite it helping an abuser monetarily) and one outcome supports women who have made bad choices (and still supports the abuser too). So it's literally NOT the same outcome and it's disingenuous and just simply incorrect to state that it is. I don't know what part of that you don't get.

Now, if someone chooses not to support ANYTHING that gives Luke money I respect that choice and their choice to do so. However, what you are saying just literally is not true. 

I'm not trying to be THIS vs THAT I'm literally pointing out the factual differences between the situations which you are still choosing to ignore. 

Stop making justifications to make yourself feel better, you’re financing a rapist none the less by streaming songs you know he’s credited for. You streaming Doja or other artist who are not voluntarily working with him is not an excuse, it does not give you a moral pass. If you want to stand against this rapist and support a good cause, maybe make decisions that actually have consequences for you. Cease to stream songs you know are associated with him. It’s not that hard, you won’t die nor will the artist. You’re literally making yourself an example of what the OP is trying to address. Why is it hard to own up to it instead of trying to make excuses. There was a user on the first page who at least owned up to it. I don’t think you’re getting it and nor am I getting you, so let’s leave it at that. 

[stvn 606]

2 minutes ago, Versace said:

Stop making justifications to make yourself feel better, you’re financing a rapist none the less by streaming songs you know he’s credited for. You streaming Doja or other artist who are not voluntarily working with him is not an excuse, it does not give you a moral pass. If you want to stand against this rapist and support a good cause, maybe make decisions that actually have consequences for you. Cease to stream songs you know are associated with him. It’s not that hard, you won’t die nor will the artist. You’re literally making yourself an example of what the OP is trying to address. Why is it hard to own up to it instead of trying to make excuses. There was a user on the first page who at least owned up to it. I don’t think you’re getting it and nor am I getting you, so let’s leave it at that. 

I respect that if that it is your choice. I have my own justifications and don't need your advice. I was just pointing out the reasons some people make different decisions than you. I've explained it and don't need to again. Good for you. Seems your the one trying to take the moral highground lol. Hilarious. 

[huttont 5,212]

6 hours ago, stvn said:

It literally does not lead to the same outcome. One outcome supports women who deserve the support (despite it helping an abuser monetarily) and one outcome supports women who have made bad choices (and still supports the abuser too). So it's literally NOT the same outcome and it's disingenuous and just simply incorrect to state that it is. I don't know what part of that you don't get.

Now, if someone chooses not to support ANYTHING that gives Luke money I respect that choice and their choice to do so. However, what you are saying just literally is not true. 

I'm not trying to be THIS vs THAT I'm literally pointing out the factual differences between the situations which you are still choosing to ignore. 

Just because both situations lead to Dr Luke getting coins does not mean there aren't OTHER things to consider when making the choice and other types of outcomes -- like I have repeatedly said in this thread -- so read what I said before because I'm not going to say it again. I've been very clear.

Just wanted to say that I agree with you. It’s not black and white. Why punish an artist by boycotting them if they had no choice in the matter (like doja)? Kim made her choice. That’s the difference. 

[Bling 31,288]

9 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

Willingly working with a rapist isn’t the same as contractually working with a rapist 

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[gh0styguy 36]

Are people forgetting the material Kim is getting backlash for is quite literally all about sex? I don’t see how it’s not registering to some folks out there who think it’s fine that Kim is *FRIENDS* with (and also stands with/defends) Luke, made an EP all about sex and would expect her to *not* get called out for it? It’s in bad taste. She’s trans, cool, got it - does that give her a free pass from all judgments toward questionable decisions? Why not support others who have done it better: Slayyyter, Ayesha Erotica, Chase Icon. People throwing in Doja/Kelly/Katy are all grasping at straws trying to defend Kim’s problematic stance with Luke. That’s it. That’s the issue. Also, since when did Luke have any part in Chromatica? Seems like y’all make up stuff just to justify that you enjoy a rape apologist who makes overtly sexual bops with a predator. Just say you agree with her stance and move on.