Fake Wokeness surrounding Kim Petras?

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1 hour ago, Versace said:

Can you expand please, wdym? 

That I don't see people hating on Kim for no reason, it's because what she said about the Kesha situation and that she's on that man's side. That's what I think is missing in your OP as one of the reasons people decide to "boycott" Kim

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Maybe she just doesn’t make good music? 

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6 hours ago, nightadieu said:

Bestie you would have to boycott all the pop girlies as well. Doja, Katy, Rihanna, Dua, Adele, Ava, Charli… 

again?  why boycott people that's not working with him right now? it doesn't make sense, the focus is on kim and doja because they are working with him right now and it NEEDS to stop, kim is his latest release, we can't do anything about his past releases with other pop artist or his employees working for him as writers, they're not the rapist, just not stream it and that's it, it's not difficult, but the ones working with him right now need to be called out

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I only blocked her music as soon as some gheys here starting to promote her back then cos I don't like her sounds  after checking it out lmao, I don't want it to be played or recommended when I was doing my Spotify random shuffle run. It is all about the vibe.

 

But if your reasoning is more political and that's your vibe, good for you. Perhaps  that can get her to somewhere better, maybe. 

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My solution is this:

 

I won't listen to a single thing from Petras

I can download any other song that Puke gas had a hand in.

[Debithius 5,865]

Damn y'all better find better things to do before you suffer vertigo from the dizzying heights of your moral grounds.

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[River 117,442]

most of the “fake woke” users are actually victims of sexual harassment/assault.. they are not boycotting her to look woke, it’s how they feel about a situation when a person is working with a rapist by choice, simple as that.

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I think people who stake their morality on things like this are lowkey weird but to each their own. Petitions, boycotts, they work but only of they're clear.

If you don't want your chunk of streaming or purchase royalties to go to predators in the entertainment business then you'd better be pirating literally ALL your music. The list of artists who don't work, at least indirectly, with abusers is definitely shorter than the ones who do.

I think I even read that Luke gets some level of royalties for Plastic Doll which means when you bought Chromatica, you paid Dr. Luke. When you buy merch or tickets to the CBT, you support him.

A few singles from The Fame were supposedly made by the person who assaulted Gaga. If you stream those, you're supporting him.

R. Kelly's writing credits are still intact on the Xtina version of DWUW. Stream that? You support R. Kelly.

That's not to take the piss out of Gaga obviously, it's just to make a point that even someone as outspoken as her on this issue still has multiple places in her discography that are tainted with a predator's efforts. Likely the majority of it considering how prevalent of an issue it is. Luke is just a tiny pustule on a much larger cancer tbh. The whole entertainment business sucks.

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as a longtime fan of kim’s, since the beginning, it makes me sad to see her collaborate with luke. but after all… she’s another artist trying to make money & create hits. kim isn’t the only artist working with luke, his writers, under his label, etc… willingly — so why is she the punching bag for what is ultimately an issue of the industry still promoting sex offenders? 

 

i get that she shouldn’t work with him, but as a trans woman without mainstream influence & a primarily queer following… maybe she doesn’t have other “hit makers” with connections to produce for her. i wouldn’t be surprised if (regardless of her past support for him) kim is under contract as well & legally can’t speak out against him. she’s stated before that if she doesn’t work with him, she can’t make music.

 

the industry shouldn’t be employing luke period, he shouldn’t be working anywhere. kim is just exploiting the fact that he’s still available as a talented producer, regardless of what he’s done. (sadly. and i wish she would acknowledge it.)

 

ultimately the decision comes down to what you’re okay with lending support to, but i hate the way people are hammering kim with negativity.

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2 minutes ago, River said:

most of the “fake woke” users are actually victims of sexual harassment/assault.. they are not boycotting her to look woke, it’s how they feel about a situation when a person is working with a rapist by choice, simple as that.

This is where I definitely understand people not streaming Kim. It can be a sort of trauma response.

As a survivor myself, personally, I'm not that bothered by streaming these producers. However, I do understand the feeling when it comes to artists who disrespect MJ 'cause he and his work were such deeply needed coping mechanisms for me in turbulent and painful times as a kid and teen that an attack on him feels like an attack on me and the very foundation I lifted myself up on to. If these "woke" kids feel that same way, I get it tbh.

Everyone has their priorities and their lines that others shouldn't cross. I don't feel it's worth it to attack each other for it or expect others to conform to your own boundaries.

If you wanna stream Kim, go for it. If you don't, then don't. If seeing all these predators in the music business get away with what they've done and what they're doing bothers you so much, be active! Don't passively "boycott" their work and flame others online who don't. Make and sign petitions to have them face charges or at least be removed from the contracts of people like Doja Cat and Kesha who don't want to work with Luke. Spread awareness through facts, not combat. Write to journalists. Write your own articles and submit them. You can do a lot. Sitting around pissing each other off does nothing though

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8 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I think people who stake their morality on things like this are lowkey weird but to each their own. Petitions, boycotts, they work but only of they're clear.

If you don't want your chunk of streaming or purchase royalties to go to predators in the entertainment business then you'd better be pirating literally ALL your music. The list of artists who don't work, at least indirectly, with abusers is definitely shorter than the ones who do.

I think I even read that Luke gets some level of royalties for Plastic Doll which means when you bought Chromatica, you paid Dr. Luke. When you buy merch or tickets to the CBT, you support him.

A few singles from The Fame were supposedly made by the person who assaulted Gaga. If you stream those, you're supporting him.

R. Kelly's writing credits are still intact on the Xtina version of DWUW. Stream that? You support R. Kelly.

That's not to take the piss out of Gaga obviously, it's just to make a point that even someone as outspoken as her on this issue still has multiple places in her discography that are tainted with a predator's efforts. Likely the majority of it considering how prevalent of an issue it is. Luke is just a tiny pustule on a much larger cancer tbh. The whole entertainment business sucks.

Let's not forget that these are the same people who listens to Doja who is known to have worked with Dr.Lule even AFTER what happened with Kesha.

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9 minutes ago, River said:

most of the “fake woke” users are actually victims of sexual harassment/assault.. they are not boycotting her to look woke, it’s how they feel about a situation when a person is working with a rapist by choice, simple as that.

Absolutely… but we also had a SA survivor voice support for Kim in another thread, and an anti-Kim moderator deleted their comment for no reason other than to control the narrative.

A lil suspicious if you ask me 

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14 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Let's not forget that these are the same people who listens to Doja who is known to have worked with Dr.Lule even AFTER what happened with Kesha.

Yeah, and that's kinda my point. It's practically unavoidable to not support him either directly or indirectly unless you pirate all of your music and never use streaming platforms.

That's not to say we should give up on trying to expose his abuse or working to help artists free themselves from contracts without facing financial and career ruin, it's just weird to get so angry at other regular people who listen to the music.

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35 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I think people who stake their morality on things like this are lowkey weird but to each their own. Petitions, boycotts, they work but only of they're clear.

If you don't want your chunk of streaming or purchase royalties to go to predators in the entertainment business then you'd better be pirating literally ALL your music. The list of artists who don't work, at least indirectly, with abusers is definitely shorter than the ones who do.

I think I even read that Luke gets some level of royalties for Plastic Doll which means when you bought Chromatica, you paid Dr. Luke. When you buy merch or tickets to the CBT, you support him.

A few singles from The Fame were supposedly made by the person who assaulted Gaga. If you stream those, you're supporting him.

R. Kelly's writing credits are still intact on the Xtina version of DWUW. Stream that? You support R. Kelly.

That's not to take the piss out of Gaga obviously, it's just to make a point that even someone as outspoken as her on this issue still has multiple places in her discography that are tainted with a predator's efforts. Likely the majority of it considering how prevalent of an issue it is. Luke is just a tiny pustule on a much larger cancer tbh. The whole entertainment business sucks.

you can't compare working directly with an abuser like this with indirect royalties or people working for those abusers that have and minimal to zero connection to the work itself and no, i dont think he receives anything for merch or touring and as long as i know the other songwritters in plastic doll sued dr.luke for publishing rights, i don't know if he really is receiving something from it, i've only read that ere on ggd,. the problem IS focused, it's like if you tried to diminish the movement against weinstein and encouraging people to just don't do anything about it and telling them it doesn't make sense because he's just "a postule in a much larger cancer" and he receives royalties with almost all entertainment industry because he had people working for him and stuff...