stvn 618 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: yeah because Tesla pays so little. They pretty much start at $20 an hour. If anything they prove a company can pay more than just a livable wage of $15 and still be profitable. Tesla is a union busting piece of sh*t for employees. Whatever. 20 dollars is little. I bet you don’t live in California and/or pay your own bills. 20/hr, That is NOTHING! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, stvn said: You didn’t say anything people didn’t know though. Good for Amazon — Bernie helped make that happen by the way. And SO many workers still make so much less than that. What even is your point? Do you even know yourself? Girl follow the conversation. I was talking with someone who directly referenced Amazon. At this point let's reference companies that are still paying terrible salaries like Victoria's Secret, Macy's, Ross and many many more. You are right there are hundreds of companies not paying a good wage. Tesla and Amazon don't really fall into that list anymore. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, stvn said: Tesla is a union busting piece of sh*t for employees. Whatever. 20 dollars is little. I bet you don’t live in California and/or pay your own bills. 20/hr, That is NOTHING! Unions don't mean better wages or better treatment of employees. Ask any teacher. If anything some unions abuse their power against the greater good. Like the NYC police union. I have nothing against them and I hope for more unions, but they are not the saviors of employees. You should not put all your faith in that system either. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvn 618 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 31 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: Girl follow the conversation. I was talking with someone who directly referenced Amazon. At this point let's reference companies that are still paying terrible salaries like Victoria's Secret, Macy's, Ross and many many more. You are right there are hundreds of companies not paying a good wage. Tesla and Amazon don't really fall into that list anymore. You are colossally missing the point by so much that I think explaining it to you would be a waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvn 618 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: Unions don't mean better wages or better treatment of employees. Ask any teacher. If anything some unions abuse their power against the greater good. Like the NYC police union. I have nothing against them and I hope for more unions, but they are not the saviors of employees. You should not put all your faith in that system either. And why do you think Tesla was trying to bust unions? Because they were worried unions didn’t mean better wages. PLEASE. Let people choose. Let people organize if they choose. That’s the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, stvn said: And why do you think Tesla was trying to bust unions? Because they were worried unions didn’t mean better wages. PLEASE. Let people choose. Let people organize if they choose. That’s the point. I don't want to fight about this. I don't think Tesla is the best company in the world either.I agree let people choose. Off topic: if that's your picture, I love your hair. It's gorgeous. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvn 618 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said: I don't want to fight about this. I don't think Tesla is the best company in the world either.I agree let people choose. Off topic: if that's your picture, I love your hair. It's gorgeous. Thanks for being kind and diffusing my anger. It’s not at you. More at the world. Yes, that’s my hair. Now I feel like an ass. I’m sorry! I’m not getting my point across in the way I should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, stvn said: Thanks for being kind and diffusing my anger. It’s not at you. More at the world. Yes, that’s my hair. Now I feel like an ass. I’m sorry! I’m not getting my point across in the way I should. It's ok those are good things to be angry about. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,864 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 9 hours ago, RudraCNG said: I mean, at least where I live it's always this reason, not that billionaires actually care for poor people. 10 hours ago, RahrahWitch said: Reading some articles now and it seems like one of the reasons he could be doing it is because he'll get a huge tax cut especially if that donation was to his own foundation. 9 hours ago, edgy said: reminds me of someone we know Someone explain this to me or tax laws cuz I never really understood this one... Here in Canada for example u get something like 27% bwck for charity donations (or at least years ago it was dunno now)... Other forms can also just be tax deductible So u never get dollar for dollar back... If u give a certain amount away ur always going to get less reinbursed than you gave away meaning it makes no sense to donate to charity if ur only motive is purely to get a net positive tax break What is it about charity donations and in what circumstances would donating to charity be done to reduce taxes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,864 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, JusKeepBreathin said: Unions don't mean better wages or better treatment of employees. Ask any teacher. If anything some unions abuse their power against the greater good. Like the NYC police union. I have nothing against them and I hope for more unions, but they are not the saviors of employees. You should not put all your faith in that system either. OFF the tesla topic but on Unions i really think people severely oversimplify the issue of Unions as either good or bad. Not surprising considering most ppl these days view anything political in an extremely narrow black and white kinda lens where everything is either good or bad Unions have pros and cons like anything else. Whether or not the benefits outway the cost and downsides depends on the Union you have and how effective it is and what the issues in ur company are and how well your company already treats or compensates you (or how badly) For example I may have been pro Union in my last company... My current job on the otherhand already has good benefits, pay, positive work culture and good employee-Corporate relationships. Not sure in my case now id want Union beaureocracy, cost and the rules that come with them to maybe squeeze out a lil more pay or benefits. But on my last job I would. The benefits vs negatives have to be carefully weighed and i dont think Unions are always good or bad. It depends on the Union and the company they are to be implemented in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial Chiller 8,044 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, gumzy3000 said: Leave it to GGD to turn charity into something negative. I read the whole article. He donated to the Musk Foundation. Vaguely stating he'll use the money to develop artificial intelligence to 'benefit humanity' No mention of actual action plans. Hun it's a tax scam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, gumzy3000 said: Leave it to GGD to turn charity into something negative. Yeah. Like cant this move be appreciated on its own? No, no one is saying Elon Musk is a saint now. But I hope he donates more. Every billionaire should donate a majority of their wealth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 7,350 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Serial Chiller said: I read the whole article. He donated to the Musk Foundation. Vaguely stating he'll use the money to develop artificial intelligence to 'benefit humanity' No mention of actual action plans. Hun it's a tax scam. Actually, the article states the charity he donated to has not been disclosed. Advancing AI is a good thing so I don't see it as a bad thing if he did donate to this in the end. It clearly states some of the initiatives the charity is taking on such as finding ways to remove carbon from the atmosphere. Oh, and the article states he will be paying $11 billion in taxes in 2021 so its not like he's avoiding it. I would rather have his money go to charities then governments anyways since they misuse funds for things like the military/prison industrial complex which I do not support. trolly troll troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia 1,366 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreamin said: I love this page but the news arrivals are too “woke” minded. musk doesn’t donate = Angry musk has money = angry musk donated to charities= angry musk should have solved world hunger but didn’t= Angry I chose to have a basic career and not go to school and get payed above barely minimum wage = angry It’s a huge toxic part of GGD (and Twitter) according to these people: - Rich person = bad - The rich people who work hard should give me money = yes I’ts crazy, absolute zero thinking and super one-dimensional. The lack of critical thinking is exhausting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,864 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Arcadia said: It’s a huge toxic part of GGD (and Twitter) according to these people: - Rich person = bad - The rich people who work hard should give me money = yes I’ts crazy, absolute zero thinking and super one-dimensional. The lack of critical thinking is exhausting. The issue its the ultra wealthy represent a fundamental problem in the system and policies that allows such exaggerated wealth disparities to occur. Realistically anyone that has any sense of fairness even remotely should agree no one should be THAT wealthy Bernie Sanders once said Billionaires shouldnt exist. The first time i heard that I found it odd and maybe a little extreme but when I thought more about it and what he was saying I agreed. A fair system shouldnt allow someone to be THAT wealthy cuz it means others have to be poorer to have that much income tilted to one individual (asset wealth can give an exagerated perception of true purchasing power or income that is shifted to wealthy but even factoring that in the gap is way too big) So i think thats where that hate comes from However I also agree with u in a way. U cannot blame any 1 individual for the system. If u happen to find success u were lucky and its natural to wanna hang on to your success its human nature and i think its a little unfair to hate on any 1 person for everything cuz of their wealth and make it impossible to recognize even 1 good act unless they are very actively lobbying to keep the system alive or using their wealth in a bluntly exploitative way and its clear any acts of good faith are meaningless. There are a few ultra rich ppl that show no evidence of being evil or ill hearted people per say they simply gained a lot more from the system than is fair. Billionaires like that im not inclined to hate on for every stupid reason even if i disagree with the system that allowed them to have that status in the first placd I dont actually know much about how Ellon runs his businesses, what he pays his workers, how he treats them etc so its hard for me to comment although I do recall his comments about the covid restrictions on his plants and that alone kind of already doesnt give me a particularly good impression of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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