LOTR fans are mad that there's Black people in the new LOTR show

[ARTPOP 3,059]

Homophobia as well…

 

 

[Oriane 19,787]

I don't know LOTR but I read somewhere that this particular race of characters is actually described as being "the most dark-skinned" in the books.

[Moonlight on Water 13,767]

I can be iffy when it comes to historical movies but most of the time I end up not caring. But this? This is fiction. This is fantasy. Seems like they need to get a grip on reality.

[Pennywise 35,841]

There's no such thing as "forced diversity", but there IS in fact "forced banality" in which for a long time in media history things had to be "toned down" to cater to breeders. We don't live in that age anymore, and all of you who are the relics of that age can just, as Violet Chachki once said, recede, like your hairlines are probably doing at this point. 

[Pennywise 35,841]

1 minute ago, Ivannn said:

So you Are inclusive as long as it is line with your opinion?

No, I am inclusive as long as it doesn't invalidate others' identities. I don't believe in being nice to bigots. 

[elijahfan 24,879]

5 hours ago, HausOfAntonio said:

It goes to show how Tolkein himself was also a racist 

He was a British man who was born at the end of the 19th century and grew up in a predominantly white society… It’s a bit preposterous to judge him by today’s standards, especially when his work is all about love and togetherness. Just saying.

[Blueskye 1,087]

FYI for those of you who are assuming that Tolkien’s Middle Earth only included light skinned folk, it did not. He described different people from different backgrounds and places across Arda throughout his legendarium. 
 

I agree though that the minority of people who only wish to see white people in their fantasy are gross and need to get out more. 

[Hyoha 1,602]

5 hours ago, HausOfAntonio said:

It goes to show how Tolkein himself was also a racist 

Certainly racist, but I don't think he was deliberately racist, as in, "I'm purposefully going to exclude other ethnicities from my fantasy world". He was anti-Nazi Germany and it was the 1930s when he published The Hobbit, woke culture didn't exist then.

I do believe he'd be woke if he'd been born in our generation. For that time period, he was more of a progressivist than a conservative for sure.

[Nathaniel Arven 1,597]

 

[Nathaniel Arven 1,597]

2 hours ago, Ivannn said:

just to please certain groups…

horsesh$t. They are not trying to please anybody they are trying to make mankind go forward. 

You can perceive this as blatant wokeness. I simply think they understood that being inclusive was sensitive and that they had to balance 20 centuries of pure Johnwaynism. 

[Dojo 19,365]

what a mess 

i never saw those movies to begin with

1 hour ago, elijahfan said:

He was a British man who was born at the end of the 19th century and grew up in a predominantly white society… It’s a bit preposterous to judge him by today’s standards, especially when his work is all about love and togetherness. Just saying.

you know elijah, you always have an amazing spectrum of thinking.

for example i don't know anything about this topic and when other users wrote "of course the author was racist" i was like, ok so he was racist i get it" But then i read your comment and you make me actually think and see the topic with a different perspective.

the same happen yesterday in another thread, the Kim Petras one, i read your comment and then i realized how much context i was actually missing.

you always add to the conversation and give us thinking material you cultured icon! keep doing it and thank you. 

[Pennywise 35,841]

1 hour ago, Hyoha said:

woke culture

I don't want to come across as attacking you but can we stop calling acceptance of identities other than white and straight "woke culture"? It is a term coined by racists/phobics in order to disparage others, and thus has negative connotations attached to it. Woke culture is not real, it's just that we hold people accountable for their shitty behavior now. 

[Ivannn 1,079]

12 minutes ago, Nathaniel Arven said:

horsesh$t. They are not trying to please anybody they are trying to make mankind go forward. 

You can perceive this as blatant wokeness. I simply think they understood that being inclusive was sensitive and that they had to balance 20 centuries of pure Johnwaynism. 

Well I disagree. They knew if they do not hire a diverse cast they will face heavy criticism and that will cause bad publicity for one very expencive show. Just that shows how certain quotas Are Silently enforced in order to be accepted.

[Lucas 24,053]

1 out of 24 actors will be a person of color and they are mad? Ok racists lol

[Pennywise 35,841]

1 minute ago, Ivannn said:

Well I disagree. They knew if they do not hire a diverse cast they will face heavy criticism and that will cause bad publicity for one very expencive show. Just that shows how certain quotas Are Silently enforced in order to be accepted.

Here's an article about this:

https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/jgspl/vol22/iss4/3/?fbclid=IwAR309QjLr9Nk2WOH0o7BVbA7Kpgv2GfMMLGnTJYUKh5NaHVySw-l1M7ttkk

In fact, according to production companies, it is "more financially responsible to hire white actors over actors of other races".

So let us retire this tired rhetoric, next. 

Also, can EVERYONE in this thread please go read the article and get a bit more educated before making claims like... this one? 

Thanks.