RahrahWitch 6,985 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said: Science isn't black and white. It's okay to question it, especially since "in the name of science" has been used in the past to hurt marginalized communities. I wasn't speaking generally, It was in relation to what she said about the Vaccine. When it comes to the vaccines what she said just isn't true. We've had almost 2 years with plenty of 'discussion and debate' with proof that the vaccine works and is the best most effective way to ending the pandemic. At this point it kind of has become a matter of trusting the proven science or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 3,186 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I wouldn't be too bothered about the union comments. It's not as if she's given an hour-long interview to Fox explaining why umions are evil. It was just a throwaway line in explaining how her show was so expensive to put on. And the reason union rules made it so expensive is because she ultimately went along with them and paid up. But throwaway remark or not, 'who works those hours' does make her look a bit foolish imo. Millions and millons of workers work those hours, luv. Did you really not know that ? Anyway, not a big deal. Her casual reference to vaccines is a different matter though imo. Covid is the worst thing to hit this planet since World War 2, so some of the niceties have to go. She is an influential person, so I think she should be more careful. I don't think anyone has said that 'vaccination is the only answer'. No scientist would say that, I'm sure. They would be more precise, less careless, they would say something like 'vaccination is one of the key measures in the fight against the pandemic'. By suggesting that some people are saying that vaccination is the only answer, I think she is inadvertently fuelling the anti-vaxx fire. Anti-vaxxers are a danger to themselves and to others. There is no (real) debate on that score. It's just a fact. It's a fact in the same way that 1+1=2 is a fact. I don't think we can stop the bullshitters bullshitting about it, but it is a very important issue, and I do believe that someone like Madonna, who is not anti-vaxx, should be more careful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentprovocate 193 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 14 hours ago, RichAssPiss said: Unpopular opinion: She was never very smart. She's just good at getting attention. do your research and have a seat sis ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 7,394 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Wow. This thread got nasty so fast. Madonna is simply saying that in today's age, we need to have dialogue with those we disagree with and see there perspective if we can. If you understand where they are coming from, you can help them change their ways to a better degree. She isn't saying she is anti-vax or anti-union. The scary thing is that just the idea of Madonna questioning cancel culture has brought out her haters to tear her down. It must suck to be so close minded and ignorant that you can not have a human conversation with someone who is racist, homophobic, Trump-supporter, anti-vax, etc. Although I disagree with these people, I still talk to some of them in my social circle and I have even changed their opinion through respectful dialogue. Cancelling these people does nothing and some of them are good people, but with flaws. And who doesn't have flaws? trolly troll troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight 2,443 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Sometimes i wonder if the snowflake ATRL folk moved to this forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight 2,443 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, vixdean said: You sound angry. He's a closeted fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuffsAhoy 7,433 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, gumzy3000 said: It must suck to be so close minded and ignorant that you can not have a human conversation with someone who is racist, homophobic, Trump-supporter, anti-vax, etc. Although I disagree with these people, I still talk to some of them in my social circle and I have even changed their opinion through respectful dialogue. Cancelling these people does nothing and some of them are good people, but with flaws. I used to be one those people who would shut down people who thought differently than me, until I moved back to my rural hometown last year. I've been SHOCKED at the change in perspective that people have had when I approach them from a humanistic point of view. Their ideas about things like LGBT+ rights, for example, have changed because I took the time to listen to their view and kindly point out how prejudiced and harmful their views actually are. It doesn't always work, mind you, but it's worth the shot. You remind me that it's such a wonderful thing to love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 16,010 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 She is so out of touch. In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine 47,976 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 The issue is that Madonna is talking about challenging the status quo but she's not actually doing anything. She is talking about her supposed role as an artist, but she is not actually contributing anything of value to the conversation. She is taking up for anti vaxxers and the right to question the government. Cool. Now what? How is being controversial for the sake of it making anything less polarized? How is she changing any conservative or liberal minds or bridging the gap? The problem with Madonna is that she is solely preoccupied with her own ego and how SHE, the ARTIST, can play by different rules, and has a higher calling and more important role in society than the common person. I would like to see her do the things she's talking about. But they are hollow words. Getting peoples' attention by saying or doing something against the grain is not gonna cut it Madonna. Once you have the attention, what do you really have to say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop a 911 3,658 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Well I know one celebrity who works 9 to 5 i’ve been so lonely in this field, fighting a battle with no shield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Uh oh guys, the Madge police are here to say we can't criticize her because she's a woman who evidently invented pop culture, and the world will end if we do. And btw let's pretend Madonna didn't rip off countless ideas and people before her for her own benefit and invented all of it on her own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuffsAhoy 7,433 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said: let's pretend Madonna didn't rip off countless ideas and people before her for her own benefit and invented all of it on her own. As if Gaga hasn't done the same I swear you haters will do any and everything to rewrite HERSTORY. You remind me that it's such a wonderful thing to love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said: As if Gaga hasn't done the same I swear you haters will do any and everything to rewrite HERSTORY. You need to chill bruh. It's not that serious. People can dislike her all they want, and don't have to worship her or the ground she walks on just because you and a bunch of her sensitive fans said to. What's more concerning is how worked up and defensive you get EVERYTIME someone criticizes her in any way whatsoever, as if she's 100% right and correct 100% of the time and no one can criticize her ever. Doesn't work that way ma'am. Go out for once and get some air. Life goes on. Like she doesn't even know you exist and wouldn't care about you if she did, so chill tf out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas P 18,479 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, HuffsAhoy said: As if Gaga hasn't done the same I swear you haters will do any and everything to rewrite HERSTORY. Who said Gaga didn't? Any famous person you can think of has I’m a simple guy to please, if you like Melodrama, we chill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyster 2,458 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Always respected her artistry but she doesn’t understand that certain things just shouldn’t be said. I honestly think she’s kind of a socially stupid person or just completely out of touch. She does things that are so nasty. Gaga any day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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