Economy 52,844 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/parents-gifting-82-000-on-average-to-first-time-homebuyers-cibc-1.1671716 Parents in Canada are gifting an average of $82,000 to their kids so they can afford to put a downpayment on a home That average jumps to $130,000 in metro cities like Toronto or Vancouver Canadas 20+ year uninterupted housing boom has not only created extreme financial stress in housing affordability but also continued to create a large generational wealth gap and older Canadians become millionaires by realestate assets alone while those under 40 often get stuck renting with no hope of ever buying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty like sodium 2,259 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 but the 40 year olds get 130000$ from their parents so what's the problem my parents don't own a home and definitely couldn't give me that much for a downpayment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, salty like sodium said: but the 40 year olds get 130000$ from their parents so what's the problem my parents don't own a home and definitely couldn't give me that much for a downpayment The problem is thats like a 10% downpayment in most of our cities, even less than that in the most expensive cities... A $900,000+ mortgage even for high earners is still insane and thats the ones lucky enough to get that gifted money (i wont be receiving that, thats for sure) When i have friends in construction or the trades making like literally $37/h (just under $30USD) saying they have no clue how they will ever by a house, u know something is seriously wrong Most ppl I know in the last few years that can buy houses are condos are ppl with the perfect 3 conditions... 1. Higher income than most 2. A lot of money saved up for downpayment 3. Extra money provided by their family as a gift or early inheritance It also helps if u dont have kids and can afford to give up some space so u can rent out part of the house to help with mortgage payments ita gotten to the point where many ppl in the top 20% of income earners are still strained at the prospect of buying a house Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hecturr 1,937 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 the only upside is that if u do eventually manage to get a house it's easier to get another one, but its a bit of a steep climb to even get a house in the first place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 My Mom wouldn't even buy me a $1 carton of juice, let alone give me $80,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rj Barker 3,331 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 That's nice that some parents can afford to do that but it's just despicable that our generation cannot afford mortgages like they did. How bad is it in Canada? At the moment in the UK it's on track for house prices to be 7x larger than the average salary. New buys into the market is declining rapidly I think it's shrank from 50% to 25ish% in the last 10-15 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 7,898 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I live in Toronto and this makes me depressed. My parents are not in a position to casually gift me $100k and I really don't have any friends like this either. I wonder who these people receiving these huge gifts are. Also, I think the median, as opposed to the average, would be a more realistic value in this case. I also just want to add that being single also makes it harder to purchase a house. Two incomes are 100% better than one. trolly troll troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rj Barker 3,331 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Economy said: The problem is thats like a 10% downpayment in most of our cities, even less than that in the most expensive cities... A $900,000+ mortgage even for high earners is still insane and thats the ones lucky enough to get that gifted money (i wont be receiving that, thats for sure) Wait... 900,000?! What's the average house price? Thats insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, gumzy3000 said: I live in Toronto and this makes me depressed. My parents are not in a position to casually gift me $100k Most people will inherit wealth only when their parents die, whats left after the capital is used for social and end of life care anyway Its a sad state of affairs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 This is why I'm not ready to be a home owner yet, yes I'd love to have a house but there's no way I could afford a downpayment like that and my mom sure as hell can't gift it to me either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindblown 6,744 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I'd surely abandon my morals for $82,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I work in the mortgage industry and the idea of an $82,000 downpayment is so absurdly high to me. I don't recall ever seeing that in any loan officer's pipeline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rj Barker said: Wait... 900,000?! What's the average house price? Thats insane. Nationally the average right now is $680,000 which is more than say the US (even adjusting for currency) In metros or metro suburbs like where i live tho its way higher In Toronto a typical house is like $1.5M, in my suburb city like $1.1M tho condos are obviously a fair bit lower tho i havent checked where they are at right now And thats an average. Of course simmilar houses will also vary by area and neighbourhood. In my grandparents old street for example most houses were near $2M and they werent huge but the area was considered desirable But our housing boom has lasted 2 decades. We have the lowest number of housing units per capita in the G7 while maintaining one of the fastest population growth rates in the developed world In conclusion the chronic housing shortage isnt going away any time soon Theyve tried to "deflate the bubble" with countless tightning of mortgage rules like reduction in amortization rules, tougher downpayment rules and stress tests But more detailed data last few years has basically confirmed it was never a bubble say like US housing boom of 2003 to 2007. We just literally have a really bad housing shortage so no policy to try and cool demand truly solves the problem because this isnt a speculation issue. Theres not enough houses for the population Wed need another 1.4M units to hit G7 average of units per population. Thats a huge amount of supply shortage for a country of only 38 million people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dojo 19,823 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 every parent should but their offspring their first home, honestly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,844 Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, gumzy3000 said: I live in Toronto and this makes me depressed. My parents are not in a position to casually gift me $100k and I really don't have any friends like this either. I wonder who these people receiving these huge gifts are. Also, I think the median, as opposed to the average, would be a more realistic value in this case. I also just want to add that being single also makes it harder to purchase a house. Two incomes are 100% better than one. Also some ppl dont get gifts at all so they wouldnt be included in the numbers So ur right that this isnt representative of what the average person actually gets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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