Beyoncé

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I hope the next project is more light and fun than Lemonade. I love it but I feel like she could deliver in another album like B'day

 

[Joaco95 1,631]

14 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

She doesn't write her own songs though, how ambitious and busy can she be with that kind of stuff? That also applies to the collaborative albums. I'm not saying she just sits around at all. But I do think Beyoncé gets a lot of hype when she has huge teams for everything she puts her name on. 

mmm chile

She did used to write a lot back then but I do think she writes too much now.

Of course she has a huge team behind her, just like how Gaga has a big team to make her ideas come true, i still don't know why people always try too dismiss Beyonce's creative involvement on her own projects, like we have intervew from people who are not part of her team saying how she always has a clear vision of what she wants and what she need and most of the she would not take a NO as an answer.

Just took B'Day as example, Bey told Darkchild (Deja Vu, World Wide Woman) how she had plans for shooting a video for each song of the album and she was looking for directors and Sophie Muller (Deja Vu/Ring the Alarm director) says she was very specific about her vision:

*Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins, who produced “World Wide Woman” and the album’s lead single, “Deja Vu,” recalls Beyoncé telling him her initial plans to make a music video for every song on the album. “She was actually watching different people she was thinking about hiring as directors,” Jerkins tells Variety. “When we weren’t recording, she was thinking about all that type of stuff, and I got a chance to see that side of her.”

*For the video, Beyoncé recruited Sophie Muller, who describes the artist as “easy company.” Muller recalls Beyoncé having a vision for the video, insisting they shoot on location.

Says Muller: “I remember we had various discussions about things like, ‘Should we try and recreate the idea of New Orleans in a studio?’ And she was, like, ‘No, we’re definitely going to New Orleans, and that’s going to be the backdrop of the video.’ I really respected the idea that she wanted, and I took her lead on that.”

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Joaco95 said:

mmm chile

She did used to write a lot back then but I do think she writes too much now.

Of course she has a huge team behind her, just like how Gaga has a big team to make her ideas come true, i still don't know why people always try too dismiss Beyonce's creative involvement on her own projects, like we have intervew from people who are not part of her team saying how she always has a clear vision of what she wants and what she need and most of the she would not take a NO as an answer.

Just took B'Day as example, Bey told Darkchild (Deja Vu, World Wide Woman) how she had plans for shooting a video for each song of the album and she was looking for directors and Sophie Muller (Deja Vu/Ring the Alarm director) says she was very specific about her vision:

*Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins, who produced “World Wide Woman” and the album’s lead single, “Deja Vu,” recalls Beyoncé telling him her initial plans to make a music video for every song on the album. “She was actually watching different people she was thinking about hiring as directors,” Jerkins tells Variety. “When we weren’t recording, she was thinking about all that type of stuff, and I got a chance to see that side of her.”[/quote]

*For the video, Beyoncé recruited Sophie Muller, who describes the artist as “easy company.” Muller recalls Beyoncé having a vision for the video, insisting they shoot on location.

Says Muller: “I remember we had various discussions about things like, ‘Should we try and recreate the idea of New Orleans in a studio?’ And she was, like, ‘No, we’re definitely going to New Orleans, and that’s going to be the backdrop of the video.’ I really respected the idea that she wanted, and I took her lead on that.”[/quote]

I'm not saying she doesn't do anything at all or that she doesn't have any vision. But it just doesn't feel like she conceives a lot the core ideas of the art herself. She sets up writing camps for her albums and walks around giving notes. But she doesn't sit 1 on 1 with writers or collaborators in order to write a song beginning to end like a lot of artists do. The intimacy and the inspiration for me aren't there, but Beyoncé gets a lot of praise as if she does those things. I admire her ability to fine-tune concepts and her need for authenticity. And I do enjoy the end product because her music is great and she's one hell of a performer. But in a way she seems less involved and dedicated than a lot of artists and she gets a lot more praise than some people who pour everything into their projects. 

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22 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

I'm not saying she doesn't do anything at all or that she doesn't have any vision. But it just doesn't feel like she conceives a lot the core ideas of the art herself. She sets up writing camps for her albums and walks around giving notes. But she doesn't sit 1 on 1 with writers or collaborators in order to write a song beginning to end like a lot of artists do. The intimacy and the inspiration for me aren't there, but Beyoncé gets a lot of praise as if she does those things. I admire her ability to fine-tune concepts and her need for authenticity. And I do enjoy the end product because her music is great and she's one hell of a performer. But in a way she seems less involved and dedicated than a lot of artists and she gets a lot more praise than some people who pour everything into their projects. 

I don't really see a problem with that. As someone else stated, she is a mother of three, her own manager, she has a entertaiment company, she's a producer and director. She may have writing camps but we don't know if she just came with an idea of a song, or give them like a whole chorus to write verses for or a melody.

And that's your perception of her, just because that's what you feel doesn't mean she like "give all your ideas and I gonna choose what are we gonna do" like as I said, we have plenty of interviews of directors, producers saying how she always come with the core idea and how she wants to develop and all the stuff.

But anyway not gonna force you into believe in something you don't feel its like that.

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2 hours ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

She doesn't write her own songs though, how ambitious and busy can she be with that kind of stuff? That also applies to the collaborative albums. I'm not saying she just sits around at all. But I do think Beyoncé gets a lot of hype when she has huge teams for everything she puts her name on. 

you really know nothing about her do you

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2 hours ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

She doesn't write her own songs though, how ambitious and busy can she be with that kind of stuff? That also applies to the collaborative albums. I'm not saying she just sits around at all. But I do think Beyoncé gets a lot of hype when she has huge teams for everything she puts her name on. 

Um ... It still takes a lot of time to find the right collaborators, work with them on ideas, make the tweaks she wants/needs to get the music sounding like she wants it, finding the right concept she wants for the album and choosing the best tracks that fit that idea/theme, planning out the videos, etc ... Her having teams of people doesn't mean she isn't doing anything at all, simply she is working with a lot of people to achieve the best she can, which takes a lot of different kind of work (coordination, collaboration, etc.) Not to mention she produces all her own vocals, which as she mentioned can be a stack of 200 harmonies per song ... And as to whether she writes the music or not, it's not that different from most other pop artists who also get sent tracks/demos/loops/instrumentals that they then change around and rework to fit their sound (and Gaga has probably done this as well, no shade, that's just how the industry works)

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the straight hair aka sasha's hari style remains the best of this tour and she decided to not wear it after a few dates, I hate her so much for that 

somebody needs to leak the whole footage used for promo 

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4 hours ago, HausOfYonce said:

you really know nothing about her do you

I knew that expressing my opinion would get me lashed by her fans 🤷🏻‍♂️. I'm not saying that Beyoncé doesn't do any work or that she doesn't work hard. But she's not as much a writer as she is performer and people throw themselves at her as if she's the best thing to happen in the world. 

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1 hour ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

I knew that expressing my opinion would get me lashed by her fans 🤷🏻‍♂️. I'm not saying that Beyoncé doesn't do any work or that she doesn't work hard. But she's not as much a writer as she is performer and people throw themselves at her as if she's the best thing to happen in the world. 

... First of all, are you saying that only writers are worthy of praise? Because that just makes no sense, a lot more goes into music than just the lyrics/melody. There's the production, the actual vocals, etc. A writer who can't produce is just as useful as a producer who can't write  

And Beyoncé is definitely a lot more than just another performer. Someone who is mainly a performer would be Celine Dion, who has almost never ever had a cowriter credit on her albums, nor a production credit. And that's fine too: she's a helluva singer. But Beyoncé is way more involved than you seem to want to give her credit for. Interesting how yet another man is trying to diminish the achievements of a successful black woman ...

As @Joaco95said, she's basically been trying to do visual albums since her second solo album, and has consistently packaged her albums with all music videos because she understood the importance of visuals (and their marketing potential). She's a savvy businesswoman, and a creative one too.

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2 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

... Are you saying that only writers are worthy of praise? Because that just makes no sense. A writer who can't produce is just as useful as a producer who can't write  And she's definitely a lot more than a performer. Someone who is mainly a performer would be Celine Dion, who has almost never ever had a cowriter credit on her albums, nor a production credit. And that's fine too: she's a helluva singer. But Beyoncé is way more involved than you seem to want to give her credit for. Interesting how yet another white man is trying to diminish the achievements of a successful black woman ...

No, but I'm not gonna give my entire opinion because I'd just get reported at that point. Like I said I enjoy Beyoncé but I believe she's overhyped. Funny how Lemonade was the first album I actually spent money to own but y'all don't wanna talk about that because y'all don't actually know me. But keep pulling the "white man tearing apart a successful black woman" card every single time somebody says something you don't like about a black female artist. 

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20 minutes ago, TortureMeOnReplay said:

No, but I'm not gonna give my entire opinion because I'd just get reported at that point. Like I said I enjoy Beyoncé but I believe she's overhyped. Funny how Lemonade was the first album I actually spent money to own but y'all don't wanna talk about that because y'all don't actually know me. But keep pulling the "white man tearing apart a successful black woman" card every single time somebody says something you don't like about a black female artist. 

And you don't really know how much she is involved, but idk why you trying to dismiss her as an artist 'cause she doesn't write a full song lol you think the same about gaga? Cause last time I heard she just wrote her verse for Sour Candy and call it a day

 

ANYWAYS lets not off topic this thread pls 

no negativity on this site thank u

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SHE POSTED YALL OMGG

 

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7 minutes ago, Joaco95 said:

And you don't really know how much she is involved, but idk why you trying to dismiss her as an artist 'cause she doesn't write a full song lol you think the same about gaga? Cause last time I heard she just wrote her verse for Sour Candy and call it a day

 

ANYWAYS lets not off topic this thread pls 

no negativity on this site thank u

If you wanna go back on my profile to last year when Chromatica came out, you'll see the same criticisms. 

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She's one of the few artists that pays proper respects to my fave so I love ha