SadBoi808 1,120 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Sorry but if was a superstar and my dog walker got fatally wounded I would make sure they are taken care of until they are back on their feet FULLY, but that’s just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadBoi808 1,120 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, OMonster said: Honestly, the fan bias in this thread is extremely strong. This man was employed by one of the richest women on the planet and is needing to beg online for money. I don't care if Gaga paid his medical bills and then some. The fact is, he's ran out of money after an extremely traumatic experience. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that Gaga - with her hundreds of millions - shouldn't feel obliged to help him. This forum is always very anti-capitalism and anti excess wealth. Gaga is one of capitalism's biggest beneficiaries and she has actively sought to increase her bank balance, often at the expense of her artistic integrity. That is absolutely fine (and understandable) but I think it's fair to call her out if people around her aren't benefitting from it. It just feels selfish and greedy. And, sure, she might've offered money and Ryan rejected it. That is very possible, if unlikely, considering the facts. I don't know the full picture but no one does, and I think it's more reasonable to assume she hasn't given him extra money than has. Why? Because I don't think he'd be in the position he's in right now how Gaga been forthcoming with funding his recovery. I will never understand why rich people don't share their money more liberally. $1M to Gaga is nothing. Absolutely nothing. But just a fraction of that could transform the life of a man who has served her for years and almost died trying to save her dogs. If she truly won't do that, then it says more about her than it does him - and I don't like to say that, but it's true. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magui 2,625 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Someone on her PR team should make her know about this and give him more money, or pay is bills for a year (idk), they should probably make it public, although I think this things shouldn't be known and be private. Cause i have the feeling Gaga is going to be trash talked badly cause of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Real Gaga 7,483 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I mean this whole traveling thing sounds a bit over-the-top Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLa 19,231 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, OMonster said: Honestly, the fan bias in this thread is extremely strong. This man was employed by one of the richest women on the planet and is needing to beg online for money. I don't care if Gaga paid his medical bills and then some. The fact is, he's ran out of money after an extremely traumatic experience. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that Gaga - with her hundreds of millions - shouldn't feel obliged to help him. This forum is always very anti-capitalism and anti excess wealth. Gaga is one of capitalism's biggest beneficiaries and she has actively sought to increase her bank balance, often at the expense of her artistic integrity. That is absolutely fine (and understandable) but I think it's fair to call her out if people around her aren't benefitting from it. It just feels selfish and greedy. And, sure, she might've offered money and Ryan rejected it. That is very possible, if unlikely, considering the facts. I don't know the full picture but no one does, and I think it's more reasonable to assume she hasn't given him extra money than has. Why? Because I don't think he'd be in the position he's in right now had Gaga been forthcoming with funding his recovery. I will never understand why rich people don't share their money more liberally. $1M to Gaga is nothing. Absolutely nothing. But just a fraction of that could transform the life of a man who has served her for years and almost died trying to save her dogs. If she truly won't do that, then it says more about her than it does him - and I don't like to say that, but it's true. I agree with almost everything you said; there is no way she shouldn't be throwing money at him. She offered 500k for the dogs return, so right off the bat she should have given him 500k too, without even thinking. But what's giving me pause is, we know Gaga is a very generous and loyal person. I wouldn't say this is fan bias, but fan knowledge. We've seen it time and again over the years. So if it looks like something different is happening in this case I have to ask why. I think it's possible she offered him a whole lot, he (seeming like a sweet person himself) said no, you've done enough (the medical bills) and wanted to try and do this himself. Some people feel awkward accepting help and money. But maybe now he's realizing he does need more help than he asked for initially and feels weird going back and asking Gaga? And GoFundMe campaigns are so ubiquitous it feels better to him for some reason? Trauma and recovery and the mental health stuff surrounding it are extremely complex! Saying he felt abandoned doesn't mean he really was, ya know? I myself have pushed people away during bad times and then felt alone, it's silly but not uncommon I think. Obviously I don't actually know anything, I'm just guessing about one scenario, but I'm not willing to totally write Gaga off as uncaring here yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G U C C I 5,396 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, OMonster said: Honestly, the fan bias in this thread is extremely strong. This man was employed by one of the richest women on the planet and is needing to beg online for money. I don't care if Gaga paid his medical bills and then some. The fact is, he's ran out of money after an extremely traumatic experience. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that Gaga - with her hundreds of millions - shouldn't feel obliged to help him. This forum is always very anti-capitalism and anti excess wealth. Gaga is one of capitalism's biggest beneficiaries and she has actively sought to increase her bank balance, often at the expense of her artistic integrity. That is absolutely fine (and understandable) but I think it's fair to call her out if people around her aren't benefitting from it. It just feels selfish and greedy. And, sure, she might've offered money and Ryan rejected it. That is very possible, if unlikely, considering the facts. I don't know the full picture but no one does, and I think it's more reasonable to assume she hasn't given him extra money than has. Why? Because I don't think he'd be in the position he's in right now had Gaga been forthcoming with funding his recovery. I will never understand why rich people don't share their money more liberally. $1M to Gaga is nothing. Absolutely nothing. But just a fraction of that could transform the life of a man who has served her for years and almost died trying to save her dogs. If she truly won't do that, then it says more about her than it does him - and I don't like to say that, but it's true. I don't know what kind of world you seem to live in where the rich are obligated to give hand outs simply because they are rich. Yes Gaga may have a sh!t ton of money but its money she has worked her ass off for. Compensation is usually defined by talent and skill level and just because she happens to find herself among those who are paid a premium for theirs, doesn't mean she has to give hand outs to people because she has found herself with having more in the bank than others. Needs to beg online for money? He's a grown ass adult who is responsible for himself and shouldn't expect a hand out from anyone if he isn't willing to help himself first. If he can travel the country for two months he can also get a job. Yes he experienced a devastating and traumatic experience, but that doesn't entitle him to being taken care of by others financially. Yeah there are a lot of people on this form who believe capitalism is bad and "eat the rich" blah blah blah. As someone without a ton of money myself I can see how people would have that attitude at times. But the majority of those arguments tend to come off much like the one you are displaying now which is quite frankly immature and also disgusting towards Gaga. She can spend her money however she likes or hoard it for herself like scrooge mcduck and at the end of the day its no ones business because its hers and she earned it. Period. However, we all know she paid Ryan's medical bills and I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't believe she gave him more than that. She has ALWAYS been generous and given her fair share to charities. Most of the time without publicity. Him going online and asking for funds is irresponsible PR towards a woman he worked with for YEARS and who he claims he is friends with. We don't know the full story but he should take the time to be more transparent with details instead of causing drama and bullsh!t stories to flood out towards Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Puppies 35,722 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, OMonster said: Honestly, the fan bias in this thread is extremely strong. This man was employed by one of the richest women on the planet and is needing to beg online for money. I don't care if Gaga paid his medical bills and then some. The fact is, he's ran out of money after an extremely traumatic experience. I don't understand how anyone can make the argument that Gaga - with her hundreds of millions - shouldn't feel obliged to help him. This forum is always very anti-capitalism and anti excess wealth. Gaga is one of capitalism's biggest beneficiaries and she has actively sought to increase her bank balance, often at the expense of her artistic integrity. That is absolutely fine (and understandable) but I think it's fair to call her out if people around her aren't benefitting from it. It just feels selfish and greedy. And, sure, she might've offered money and Ryan rejected it. That is very possible, if unlikely, considering the facts. I don't know the full picture but no one does, and I think it's more reasonable to assume she hasn't given him extra money than has. Why? Because I don't think he'd be in the position he's in right now had Gaga been forthcoming with funding his recovery. I will never understand why rich people don't share their money more liberally. $1M to Gaga is nothing. Absolutely nothing. But just a fraction of that could transform the life of a man who has served her for years and almost died trying to save her dogs. If she truly won't do that, then it says more about her than it does him - and I don't like to say that, but it's true. I do agree with you partially, because that's what I would do if I was in her shoes and had millions, but the thing is (which is why I think a little transparency on his side wouldn't hurt) we do not know if Gaga has offered it. And I refuse to believe that she didn't offer more money until proven otherwise. So everyone who assumes she didn't help or offer more money does her wrong if she actually did do that and he just didn't want it from her OR is now ashamed or "too proud" to ask for more. THEY CALL ME LADY MOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Puppies 35,722 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, G U C C I said: Him going online and asking for funds is irresponsible PR towards a woman he worked with for YEARS and who he claims he is friends with. We don't know the full story but he should take the time to be more transparent with details instead of causing drama and bullsh!t stories to flood out towards Gaga. This! That's what I mean.... why does he not answer any of the questions but expects people to donate? I think transparency is a must when asking people for money. (and in this case it makes Gaga look like a bad person in front of the whole world - and she can't even make a statement about it because that would make her look bad again because people expect her helping him out as a duty) THEY CALL ME LADY MOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DpHitch1992 1,142 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 hours ago, G U C C I said: Honestly if this continues from him, and I was Gaga, I would quietly involve my lawyers to shut him the f*ck up. She paid his medical bills and lord only know what all else. She was his employer and by all accounts met every obligation and then some resulting from this horrific accident. None of us know all the details of what was offered from her, but there isn't a person here who could honestly say she didn't give him more than enough. Gaga has never been anything but kind, generous, and loyal to a fault. At the end of the day though, he is ultimately responsible for how he manages his own situation and healing. She does not and should not have to continually hand out money to people just because she has more than others. We are all responsible for ourselves in the end and he has clearly been irresponsible with the money and help he received and is now trying to rely on others. I think you summed it up perfectly 👏 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magui 2,625 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, MotherOfPuppies said: I do agree with you, because that's what I would do if I was in her shoes and had millions, but the thing is (which is why I think a little transparency on his side wouldn't hurt) we do not know if Gaga has offered it. And I refuse to believe that she didn't offer more money until proven otherwise. So everyone who assumes she didn't help or offer more money does her wrong if in case she did do that and he just didn't want it from her OR is now ashamed or "too proud" to ask for more. This is weird....the only thing I get from this is that she doesn't know about it, cause to me, given what I sense about her and her actions through the years, she would be more than willing to helping and give him a reasonable amount money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mother of Puppies 35,722 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, Magui said: This is weird....the only thing I get from this is that she doesn't know about it, cause to me, given what I sense about her and her actions through the years, she would be more than willing to helping and give him a reasonable amount money. Exactly... I think it's a bit unfair and makes her look bad in front of the whole world. I just cannot imagine her not wanting to help him "heal" and improve his mental health which for him means travelling around the country for 6 months... To me she has always made the impression of very generous and kind... a person who has paid for a surgery for a fan of hers... we are talking about the person who started the Born This Way Foundation which is all about Mental Health... THEY CALL ME LADY MOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,634 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, G U C C I said: I don't know what kind of world you seem to live in where the rich are obligated to give hand outs simply because they are rich. Yes Gaga may have a sh!t ton of money but its money she has worked her ass off for. Compensation is usually defined by talent and skill level and just because she happens to find herself among those who are paid a premium for theirs, doesn't mean she has to give hand outs to people because she has found herself with having more in the bank than others. Needs to beg online for money? He's a grown ass adult who is responsible for himself and shouldn't expect a hand out from anyone if he isn't willing to help himself first. If he can travel the country for two months he can also get a job. Yes he experienced a devastating and traumatic experience, but that doesn't entitle him to being taken care of by others financially. Yeah there are a lot of people on this form who believe capitalism is bad and "eat the rich" blah blah blah. As someone without a ton of money myself I can see how people would have that attitude at times. But the majority of those arguments tend to come off much like the one you are displaying now which is quite frankly immature and also disgusting towards Gaga. She can spend her money however she likes or hoard it for herself like scrooge mcduck and at the end of the day its no ones business because its hers and she earned it. Period. However, we all know she paid Ryan's medical bills and I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't believe she gave him more than that. She has ALWAYS been generous and given her fair share to charities. Most of the time without publicity. Him going online and asking for funds is irresponsible PR towards a woman he worked with for YEARS and who he claims he is friends with. We don't know the full story but he should take the time to be more transparent with details instead of causing drama and bullsh!t stories to flood out towards Gaga. Sorry but if this was any other person with extreme wealth, this forum would be dragging them for not providing ongoing support, which seems to be the case here. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 If he needs money he should ask her. Shes not her nanny keeping up with his life problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson123 36,256 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Ugh I don't know if I even want to trust TMZ again after the fake Jamie Spears article from last week that he stepped down as conservator and turned out to be false. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSine 7,464 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 If I was a multimillionaire I would simply ensure my employee that put their life on the line for my pets would have everything they need. But I'm not one, so who knows what that is really like. Maybe he doesn't feel safe in LA/Malibu anymore. Maybe he is reckoning with his own mortality and is seeking further meaning for his life. We don't know any of the real details to come to an actual conclusion. As others said maybe he does not want to rely on Gaga's help (though honestly I would rather take money offered by my super rich boss than rely on crowdfunding from average people). I just hope he is able to find some peace and stability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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