Pennywise 36,080 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, alsemanche said: Do Americans realize that the politicians THEY supported and voted for are responsible for this? Y'all willingly chose them and supported them, so yeah you don't get to preach over the situation in Afghanistan, especially not when the dominant American discourse is all about veterans' TrAuMa and other bullsh*t. We've been critizing her politics for ages but those of you who idolize her keep acting like it's no big deal Don't bother, it's like they have, like, you know that saying with the horse goggles? Those When we criticize Gaga, Hillary, Biden, etc. they're like "Trump is worse!!!!!!!!!!!" When we don't talk about them, they're like "what about them!??!?!?!" And they suddenly don't know what I'm talking about So long ggd, it was nice while it lasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, alsemanche said: Do Americans realize that the politicians THEY supported and voted for are responsible for this? Y'all willingly chose them and supported them, so yeah you don't get to preach over the situation in Afghanistan, especially not when the dominant American discourse is all about veterans' TrAuMa and other bullsh*t. We've been critizing her politics for ages but those of you who idolize her keep acting like it's no big deal If you weren’t eligible to vote in the U.S. at least 5 years before the American government chose to stir **** up in Afghanistan then you have zero responsibility over what has happened. Believe me, if I had a time machine and could somehow exist before I was born, I would have gladly done anything to prevent my country from greedily messing up other nations of the world. But I can’t. So how is that my fault? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFRatwell 23,290 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Pennywise said: Don't bother, it's like they have, like, you know that saying with the horse goggles? Those When we criticize Gaga, Hillary, Biden, etc. they're like "Trump is worse!!!!!!!!!!!" When we don't talk about them, they're like "what about them!??!?!?!" And they suddenly don't know what I'm talking about Considering you acknowledged that either side of our political spectrum is corrupt and citizens are essentially left with no perfect option due to our terrible two party system which is unchangeable by the average person, and the fact that you and other members still follow and support Gaga, I think it’s safe to just assume that your anger towards American citizens aren't really as deep as you made it seem. I have nothing else to say other than sorry I wasted both of our time. At the end of the day you willingly surround yourself with American culture so this whole every american is a contributor to your suffering isn't something you actually believe, or else you wouldn’t spend your time and money on American entertainment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsemanche 97,796 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Chic said: If you weren’t eligible to vote in the U.S. at least 5 years before the American government chose to stir **** up in Afghanistan then you have zero responsibility over what has happened. Believe me, if I had a time machine and could somehow exist before I was born, I would have gladly done anything to prevent my country from greedily messing up other nations of the world. But I can’t. So how is that my fault? Umm didnt you vote for any president after the US entered Afghanistan? All of them contributed to more war and more destruction, it's not like 1 president did it and that was it. Others also maintained it. And y'all still hail veterans as heroes when they're nothing of the sort. It's politics but also American culture. Soft, soothing, and succulent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItWasntLaauv 6,392 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Me coming into this thread: But seriously, why are you guys bickering on here about a literal war, y’all are being so childish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, alsemanche said: Umm didnt you vote for any president after the US entered Afghanistan? All of them contributed to more war and more destruction, it's not like 1 president did it and that was it. Others also maintained it. And y'all still hail veterans as heroes when they're nothing of the sort. It's politics but also American culture. Every candidate that’s even gotten close to the presidency would have resumed the status quo that I have always chosen against upholding. Anyone who speaks against the war machine is practically ineligible as a choice to represent the Republican or Democratic Party. This is a problem that has existed for decades and isn’t anything that young Americans alive today can do anything to change short of violent revolution. Even the ideal choice for president could be corrupted by money upon entering office, or pressured into oiling the cogs of war by outside parties. If you think these processes in the modern day are in any way controllable or changeable for the average American, you need to look more into how our political systems really work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G U C C I 5,578 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, alsemanche said: Umm didnt you vote for any president after the US entered Afghanistan? All of them contributed to more war and more destruction, it's not like 1 president did it and that was it. Others also maintained it. And y'all still hail veterans as heroes when they're nothing of the sort. It's politics but also American culture. You ultimately get two options for President in the US. Since 9/11 there hasn't been a Democrat or Republican who has ran for higher office that hasn't continued to push for our place in the Middle East. Veterans of our military are following orders whether they agree with those orders or not. Most people I know who joined the military did so for the benefits they give like free education, not to serve in a war and kill innocent people. There will always be casualties of war and even if the majority of the country rioted to end the war it would not have stopped it ultimately. Look what it took just to get a white police officer to be convicted of murdering a black man in the year 2020! If you are a civilian of a country you are not to blame for the actions of the government. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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