Producer who understood GAGA SOUND the most

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Just now, FfFfFfFF said:

Yes. Do you think that is acoustic pop with guitar strings and retro instruments? 

Joanne is Gaga at her most true self musically, because it's so fully inspired by the records she grew up with. It's just as much of a tribute to her upbringing as Born This Way is, so yeah, I would say it's just as "true" to her as anything else she's released.

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6 hours ago, Dayman said:

Disagree with the first part - agree on the second. Joanne definitely is her most lyrically accessible - but I don't think there is a stronger reality to it than any of her previous works. Born This Way as an album really sits on a similar playing field to Joanne in terms of the writing - Marry The Night, Black Jesus, The Queen, You and I and The Edge of Glory all are some that from a writing perspective I see as equals to a lot of Joanne. Truthfully Joanne has the same level of fantasy as previous albums, the production and tone just really fool you - not in a bad way though. A-Yo, John Wayne, Perfect Illuson, DiC, Come to Mama and kinda Sinners Prayer + Hey Girl if you ask me all have a fantasy element - I mean you could definitely argue that Joanne does as well because the song was written from her fathers perspective and it once again is her putting herself in someone elses shoes while writing. I think at the end of the day Gaga is always splitting herself between fantasy and reality when writing and sometimes the sound plays into one more than the other. Mark really just is a great producer and that rich lived in sound was what she wanted for the album instead of a polished almost too crisp digital sound.

Eh, I don't really think so. I never claimed Joanne is 100% reality, I just said she stopped writing from a POV that was essentially very fantastical. And I specifically pointed out the storytelling, which is far beyond anything she had done previously. Mainly because she was influenced by 60s and 70s folk music and working with writers from Nashville. My main point being that Mark pushing her to write about these things more openly has impacted how she approaches her work, and you can see that on Chromatica.

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8 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

Joanne is Gaga at her most true self musically, because it's so fully inspired by the records she grew up with. It's just as much of a tribute to her upbringing as Born This Way is, so yeah, I would say it's just as "true" to her as anything else she's released.

1. I would very much doubt that the one outliner in her discography is her true self and not the other majority of stuff she has released, simply because of that, is an outliner. If you think of Lady Gaga sound, you don't think of acoustic pop with guitar strings and retro influences - not as a fan nor as a casual listener.

2. Gaga grew up with different styles of music (like all of us). The Fame (Monster) and Born this Way challenge those inspirations of her just as much as Joanne, if not more: Madonna, Bowie, Withney all inspired Gaga's first three albums visually or musically.

3. If you say that Joanne is as much of a tribute as Born this Way, and as true as her other albums, why choose Mark as the producer that helped Gaga expressed herself best? You are now contradicting your original reply.

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14 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

1. I would very much doubt that the one outliner in her discography is her true self and not the other majority of stuff she has released, simply because of that, is an outliner. If you think of Lady Gaga sound, you don't think of acoustic pop with guitar strings and retro influences - not as a fan nor as a casual listener.

2. Gaga grew up with different styles of music (like all of us). The Fame (Monster) and Born this Way challenge those inspirations of her just as much as Joanne, if not more: Madonna, Bowie, Withney all inspired Gaga's first three albums visually or musically.

3. If you say that Joanne is as much of a tribute as Born this Way, and as true as her other albums, why choose Mark as the producer that helped Gaga expressed herself best? You are now contradicting your original reply.

There's nothing contradictory with my statements. Joanne is the manifestation of the music Gaga grew up listening to with her mom and dad, and not just the obvious ones she discovered when she was a teen. Do you really listen to her earlier work (and I'm talking about before "Gaga") and hear Madonna, Bowie, Whitney? She was initially compared to the likes of Norah Jones. You say she grew up with different styles and proceed to put her in a box by calling the album an outlier, so I think the only person contradicting themselves here is you. If you can't see why or how Mark helped Gaga express herself by helping her put together the album that she had spoken about wanting to make for years, then that's entirely your problem. The album is rooted in her love of 70s folk and jazz music, and I think anyone who attempts to argue that those sounds aren't true to her shouldn't be calling themselves a fan. Saying Joanne is her "truest" form simply means that she kept the music at its foundation (the same foundation that inspires all her albums) instead of building walls of sound around it.

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Are you guys afraid to be obvious and say redone? 

Sometimes the obvious is right. Its with redone that she really created a winning formula, not only in sound, the voice, but her musical identity really became defined. 

Fusari also had done a good job, much better than mark ronson. Its just his production falls much more flat than redone. 

Garibay is too diverse, i cant really see the distinctiveness in theyre work. 

 

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16 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

Do you really listen to her earlier work (and I'm talking about before "Gaga") and hear Madonna, Bowie, Whitney? 

Yes, I do. She even sampled David Bowie in one of her first unreleaseds and many even have a very David Bowie, or Queen-inspired glam rock sound. I certainly can go as far as saying that Joanne isn't closer to her first songs than Brown Eyes, Speechless or You and I or I Wanna Be With You are. These songs feel like Gaga's authentic balladry, not the country and folk-influenced ballads from Joanne (even thought they are great and lovely in their own right)..

16 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

 Joanne is the manifestation of the music Gaga grew up listening to with her mom and dad, and not just the obvious ones she discovered when she was a teen. 

Gaga grew up (as all of us) with different styles. Why pin-point the music of her early childhood as more representative of her vision of how music should sound than the music she listened during her teens? The argument works for both of these options, maybe even more for the music she discovered on her own as she was shaping her own personality. 

And yes, you are contradicting yourself by saying that Mark helps Gaga's vision come to fruition best and then saying that Joanne is as true as to her sound as the other albums. You are also saying that Gaga has multiple facets (which is true),but imply that her true self is Joanne (and by this you are also putting her in a box in a certain way). Who says art should be literal descriptions of personal life events (Joanne) and not fantasies and extravagant approaches to topics that you want to sing about (TFM, ARTPOP)? What makes the first option better than the latter?

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2 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Yes, I do. She even sampled David Bowie in one of her first unreleaseds and many even have a very David Bowie, or Queen-inspired glam rock sound. I certainly can go as far as saying that Joanne isn't closer to her first songs than Brown Eyes, Speechless or You and I or I Wanna Be With You are. These songs feel like Gaga's authentic balladry, not the country and folk-influenced ballads from Joanne (even thought they are great and lovely in their own right)..

Gaga grew up (as all of us) with different styles. Why pin-point the music of her early childhood as more representative of her vision of how music should sound than the music she listened during her teens? The argument works for both of these options, maybe even more for the music she discovered on her own as she was shaping her own personality. 

And yes, you are contradicting yourself by saying that Mark helps Gaga's vision come to fruition best and then saying that Joanne is equally as much as true as her other albums. You are also saying that Gaga has multiple facets (which is true),but imply that her true self is Joanne (and by this you are also putting her in a box in a certain way). Who says art should be literal descriptions of personal life events (Joanne) and not fantasies and extravagant approaches to topics that are clsoe you (ARTPOP)? What makes the first option better than the latter?

Sis, I'm not going to go in circles over this. You either get it or you don't, and you clearly don't.

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22 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

Eh, I don't really think so. I never claimed Joanne is 100% reality, I just said she stopped writing from a POV that was essentially very fantastical. And I specifically pointed out the storytelling, which is far beyond anything she had done previously. Mainly because she was influenced by 60s and 70s folk music and working with writers from Nashville. My main point being that Mark pushing her to write about these things more openly has impacted how she approaches her work, and you can see that on Chromatica.

I mean like I said, I don’t necessarily entirely disagree. But I think the balance has always been there on all albums prior. I guess it comes down to opinion on what  we qualify as fantastical pov. Either way, seems like we both agree at the end of day Mark really helped guide some stellar song writing out of her. He definitely deserves more credit from Gaga fans at large than he gets. Joanne really is a special album that gets thrown under the bus for being so unlike her other pop albums, but the work is so extremely solid and timeless.

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Just now, PropaGaga said:

Sis, I'm not going to go in circles over this. You either get it or you don't, and you clearly don't.

I know, right.. it's almost as if what you are saying is an opinion and the absolute truth. 

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Joanne isnt  her truest musical expression at all. Its just plain obvious, you like the album and enjoy, its ok. 

But theres very little in that album that i think tells me, this is her. The fame is much more honest than her honest phase. Its too vague, stitched together. If thats her most honest then she has no idea who she is musically nor what she has to say. And mark no idea who she is either.. And i dont think thats true

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On 5/9/2021 at 6:46 PM, Reality said:

Isn't the whole point of "GAGA" the fact that she's ever-changing and versatile? It seems like kind of a weird question to say, "Which one brought out 'GAGA' the most?". Also, what does "GAGA SOUNDS" mean? Again, Gaga changes up her sound/style with each era, so it's hard to pinpoint an exact "sound" for her.

To that end, I’d say DJWS. He’s easily done the most diverse array of sounds with her and matched her wherever she wants to go with him.

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7 minutes ago, Killa said:

Joanne isnt  her truest musical expression at all. Its just plain obvious, you like the album and enjoy, its ok. 

But theres very little in that album that i think tells me, this is her. The fame is much more honest than her honest phase. Its too vague, stitched together. If thats her most honest then she has no idea who she is musically nor what she has to say. And mark no idea who she is either.. And i dont think thats true

I mean, she doesn't know what to say or who she is. She spoken about this constantly. And it's okay. The whole point of being an artist is discovering yourself and uncovering parts you maybe suppressed or kept hidden. Saying Joanne is Gaga at her most pure form doesn't mean her other albums are bad.

I don't even think Joanne is her best album. Some of you are making it more complicated than it actually is.

Edit: And I'll also add I never claimed Joanne was her truest musical expression. That is putting words in my mouth. I said Joanne is Gaga's purest form, without the extra-ness of Born This Way or The Fame Monster. Those albums have the exact same foundations that Joanne does. Joanne just doesn't dress it up.

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21 minutes ago, PropaGaga said:

 If you can't see why or how Mark helped Gaga express herself by helping her put together the album that she had spoken about wanting to make for years, then that's entirely your problem. The album is rooted in her love of 70s folk and jazz music, and I think anyone who attempts to argue that those sounds aren't true to her shouldn't be calling themselves a fan. Saying Joanne is her "truest" form simply means that she kept the music at its foundation (the same foundation that inspires all her albums) instead of building walls of sound around it.

Being vocal about waiting to eventually release a more ballad-heavy album doesn't mean it's her true, authentic vision. It may be an experiment or an off-thing, or one equally important facet of her music - not the absolue  most important and revealing one. So yes, it may a personal problem of mine in that I don't see this as proof that a country-tinged, retro album is the album Gaga always wanted. I also think that Gaga's sound can mean multiple genres and styles, I don't see why the folk and jazz should be the core and not  pop or electronic, which have always been more prevalent in her work and genres she chooses in order to express herself most of the time. There are influences from jazz in the Gaga sound for sure, but not more than Madonna or Whitney or 80s pop.

You are very well-spoken and I apreciate that you have an ellaborate vision on the matter, but I really don't agree with your line of thought. Agree to disagree! 

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Just now, PropaGaga said:

I mean, she doesn't know what to say or who she is. She spoken about this constantly. And it's okay. The whole point of being an artist is discovering yourself and uncovering parts you maybe suppressed or kept hidden. Saying Joanne is Gaga at her most pure form doesn't mean her other albums are bad. Some of you are making it more complicated than it actually is. 

Well thats not how music works. 

For example shallow is a winning formula. They did something that was able to emulate a thing that the public understood and recieved well. Its a very pure hit. 

Joanne on other hand gives as questions. That way of thinking is too literal and art doesnt work like that.