ProfessionalClown 9,698 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Well then Natalia was plagiarizing Bettie Page and her aesthetic by your logic.  im assuming you needed to do some stretches before your workout so itâs cool   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObezyankaNol 2,928 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, rinasawachanta said: TristĂsimo que estĂ©s aprendiendo sobre nuestra historia como paĂs literalmente a travĂ©s de un sitio yanqui como este. Me parece terrible que sigan sosteniendo la idea de que los argentinos "bajamos de los barcos" y que tenemos mucho mĂĄs que ver con Europa que con el resto de LatinoamĂ©rica. Ese argumento es sĂłlo una forma mĂĄs de perpetuar los efectos devastadores del genocidio sobre nuestra poblaciĂłn originaria, al negar que al dĂa de hoy existen muchĂsimas comunidades originarias (asĂ como tambiĂ©n personas afrodescendientes) que habitan el territorio. Se muy bien la historia de nuestro paĂs, literalmente remarquĂ© la parte del genocidio cometido contra las comunidades originarias y las personas afrodescendientes, pero eso no quita que nuestra que nuestra cultura estĂ© altamente influenciada por Europa No estoy negando que hay comunidades habitando hoy en dĂa, pero si nos comparamos con otros paises latinoamericanos somos los que menos costumbres originarias mantuvimos a travĂ©s del tiempo. ĐĐ” ĐČĐ”ŃŃ, ĐœĐ” Đ±ĐŸĐčŃŃ, ĐœĐ” ĐżŃĐŸŃĐž Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
melon 3,298 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, rinasawachanta said: Natalia's song doesn't talk about being a femme fatale. I recommend you listen to the song or read the translated lyrics. Not all Latin women sing about being sex bombs... I have read the lyrics and watched the video thanks  Maybe I wasnât clear enough earlier but Nataliaâs video clearly references spy films like Charlieâs Angels aka femme fatale characters - this is obvious for anyone to see no? Lyrics-wise, I have no idea how you think Iâm trying to group Latin women together as singing about being sex bombs (unless you are just trolling to get a hit thread? in which case thatâs disappointing given I have actually tried to answer your question seriously). My point stands about Marinaâs song being completely different, itâs about the planet and society rather than a poisoned love.  heauxmatica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaublue 3,872 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 hours ago, rinasawachanta said: Oh, Marina doesn't think the same  Actually no, that isnât. Marina said this about the FROOT photoshoot concept/imagery, not about a hairstyle or outfit. The imagery for Purge the Poison has no relation to whoever the random woman youâre claiming Marinaâs plagiarizing. This is completely taken out of context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinasawachanta 2,096 Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, melon said: I have read the lyrics and watched the video thanks  Maybe I wasnât clear enough earlier but Nataliaâs video clearly references spy films like Charlieâs Angels aka femme fatale characters - this is obvious for anyone to see no? Lyrics-wise, I have no idea how you think Iâm trying to group Latin women together as singing about being sex bombs (unless you are just trolling to get a hit thread? in which case thatâs disappointing given I have actually tried to answer your question seriously). My point stands about Marinaâs song being completely different, itâs about the planet and society rather than a poisoned love.  I had misunderstood your answer. I apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinallyFree 454 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Definitely a reach RIP SOPHIE đ€ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinasawachanta 2,096 Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, FinallyFree said: Definitely a reach a reach, but a collective one https://telefe.com/entretenimientos/espectaculos/la-artista-que-se-inspiro-en-tu-veneno-de-natalia-oreiro/ https://www.elsol.com.ar/espectaculos/fanaticos-de-natalia-oreiro-comparan-a-marina-por-su-parecido https://www.vocescriticas.com/noticias/2021/04/13/62866-se-copio-la-foto-de-natalia-oreiro-que-se-volvio-viral-por-un-insolito-motivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinasawachanta 2,096 Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 the last one, I promise   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 5,569 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, rinasawachanta said: a reach, but a collective one https://telefe.com/entretenimientos/espectaculos/la-artista-que-se-inspiro-en-tu-veneno-de-natalia-oreiro/ https://www.elsol.com.ar/espectaculos/fanaticos-de-natalia-oreiro-comparan-a-marina-por-su-parecido https://www.vocescriticas.com/noticias/2021/04/13/62866-se-copio-la-foto-de-natalia-oreiro-que-se-volvio-viral-por-un-insolito-motivo As often nowadays. Folks jump to conclusions over light similarities and some journalists give impact to it cause they're starving for a headline. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinasawachanta 2,096 Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Guillaume Hamon said: As often nowadays. Folks jump to conclusions over light similarities and some journalists give impact to it cause they're starving for a headline. Â peut ĂȘtre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine Sevigny 45,604 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I'd wager it's a reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spector 1,893 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 11:00 PM, rinasawachanta said: No one is going after Marina for this. I love Marina and actually like her better than Natalia Oreiro, but I felt it was a way to do justice to Natalia's artistic integrity to mark this resemblance or coincidence. Is it wrong to mark a resemblance in a forum meant to literally discuss pop music? I ask you to please go to Marina's instagram comments, you will be surprised with the repercussion this whole thing had. 4 hours ago, rinasawachanta said: the last one, I promise   woman, poison, snake, hair (snake-hair). that's medusa from greek mythology. marina is of greek origin. the album title is ancient dreams in a modern land. the song, "purge the poison" is a feminist/environmentalist anthem. yes, the resemblance between marina and natalia is there. however, if there is anything to be argued, it's that natalia's reference was medusa. i understand the point you're trying to make, and some were were harsh toward you, but taking the broader cultural contexts into account, your claim cannot really be substantiated. stella + elliot = stelliot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 hours ago, rinasawachanta said: a reach, but a collective one https://telefe.com/entretenimientos/espectaculos/la-artista-que-se-inspiro-en-tu-veneno-de-natalia-oreiro/ https://www.elsol.com.ar/espectaculos/fanaticos-de-natalia-oreiro-comparan-a-marina-por-su-parecido https://www.vocescriticas.com/noticias/2021/04/13/62866-se-copio-la-foto-de-natalia-oreiro-que-se-volvio-viral-por-un-insolito-motivo So what, 40% of the US believes in QAnon. It's a collective delusion. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvaro Moreno Ullrich 1,535 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Veneno = Poison See what she did there huh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzGa 14,348 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 4:08 PM, spector said: i wouldnât say itâs a novel phenomenon, tho: the ideal of originality is rooted in romanticism, envisioning the artist as a sublime super-being (i.e., a god-like figure) whose path to creativity is via suffering and solitude. in other words, artist and originality were perceived as a fully hermetic circle (artistic âhellâ) thatâs unpenetrable to the âaverageâ human. those that studied cultural/literary theory know that one of the tenets of the postmodern ethos was to do away with these ideals (artist-god, creativity as pain, true originality). weâre still catching up to the radical perspectives of the â60s/â70s, however, both within artistic and gender discourses, as is evident almost âeverywhereâ (in the western world). gen z is closer than ever to finally shift the modernist paradigm, i feel, and thatâs great because new lines of thinking will filter through them into broader cultural spheres, and, then, in a few decades, will be solidified in the educational systems. ot: marina is just paying homage. Whew whatta comment  My IQ grew 10 points  Thanks for posting sis, you brought education + perspective God created Adam and Eve, but Gá»dga collabed with Brianđș and Steveđ· Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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