Lana Del Rey - Rock Candy Sweet

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even if it's not first june at least she announced something and it's already very short. I bet not everysong is over, because artist always think of how to improve their work, some changes can be done and stuff... Some songs may also require more work than they seem to in the first place.... Well. It's already great if she is in a good mood for work. 

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6 hours ago, Bio said:

She was glamorizing domestic abuse.

She may make depression look poetic and romantic, if we think of young persons who could be inclined to fantasies over her sultry behaviour, but i don't think that she's the reason people stay in abusive relationships. She never glamorises 'em. She always depicts the danger and darkness of those things. I'm sorry but accusing her of something like this is completely off. 

My point is : I seriously don't think LDR is the reasons young girls are loosing themselves. I don't see art being the trigger of a downfall because one sings about tragedy. I think it's the opposite. I think people are loving things that resonates with 'em...

 

[Fusel 1,109]

i always  when people shame this woman who as it appears has experienced  being abused and assaulted in some form or another in intimate relationships for dealing with these traumatic experiences in her work 

these things often stick with you and what you do for life maybe stop feeding into problematizing and stigmatizing the victim just because she doesn’t always find the best words or coping mechanisms for it

especially when you can see a definite development in her work away from these disturbed portrayals

(the glamorizing accusations sound weirdly policing to me in regards to how a woman has to deal with and talk about abuse and i feel like there’s a certain unrealized underlying misogyny to it)

[RockCandySweet 175]

I can’t wait for new music, eventhough she just released Chemtrails  But I wished she’s going to get back to better album titles like Born to Die, Ultraviolence or Lust for Life  

[Sneaky Oliver 22,221]

15 hours ago, plastiquedoll said:

Question for the culture. Where she was "dragging" Cardi, Nicki, Ariana and etc. 

 

15 hours ago, Nickolas724 said:

Lana loves to say she’s releasing stuff when she gets mad. Remember her original post bashing all the pop girls originally said chemtrails would  come out last year? 

She was not bashing or dragging them, she was dragging the media for criticizing her for doing basically the same thing those girls were doing. Please stop this narrative that Lana was bashing them because many people here were hating her for no reason. It’s not that fault some people can’t comprehend simple texts without having to pit women against each other. 

[Sneaky Oliver 22,221]

7 hours ago, Bio said:

I’m a huge Lana Stan and all of these songs were and still are a big part of my life. But we need to see things for what they really are. She herself even recognizes some of this when she changes her lyrical content over the years and decides not to sing Ultraviolence anymore.

She still can tell her story through a idealized concept. This is called art. Not all things Gaga has said are true. She has that universe too. Every artist does. People should stop having popstars as life role models and just appreciate the original art they bring to the table. They are not supposed to sing about a extra sensitive and politically correct perspective because people happen to channel their words into their own lives. 
And I’m sorry for your friend but it’s honestly unfair of you to blame Lana for it, she’s not a psychologist, she’s just a singer who sings about her life and her perspective on things. 

Everyone has their own narratives, we should stop living by somebody else’s lens. 

[Moebius 8,965]

I have a bad feeling about this tbh, and if that IG post is the album cover, then it's too bright and colorful and tacky

[Poissonche 12,365]

3 hours ago, Fusel said:

i always  when people shame this woman who as it appears has experienced  being abused and assaulted in some form or another in intimate relationships for dealing with these traumatic experiences in her work 

these things often stick with you and what you do for life maybe stop feeding into problematizing and stigmatizing the victim just because she doesn’t always find the best words or coping mechanisms for it

especially when you can see a definite development in her work away from these disturbed portrayals

(the glamorizing accusations sound weirdly policing to me in regards to how a woman has to deal with and talk about abuse and i feel like there’s a certain unrealized underlying misogyny to it)

I completely agree with you on the misogyny part. The way critics are attacking her songs for "glamorizing being abused" and then will let slide male artists glamorizing being an abuser is astonishing to me. I understand why she's a controversial topic; she tackles hard subjects in a way that doesn't portray her as strong, badass and powerful, which is what is nowadays expected of women. People think they're feminists when they say "women should be strong!", but that is still forcing women to a standard. Yes, ideally, everybody should be strong, powerful, badass and in control of their life for their well-being. But the fact is, some people have a harder time overcoming their trauma. Some people are quiet. Some people are sad, broken down, and have no idea how to better themselves. And shaming them into "owning up their s***" is not the way. Feeling heard, understood, feeling like you are not alone in this is the way to go. And, to me, this is the point Lana was trying to get across with her infamous Question for the Culture post. Worded strangely, yes - saying, word for word, that she's not a feminist. However, her anger definitely stemmed from a deeply feminist feeling, because she has been conditioned to feel like she was not a feminist because she didn't check the boxes of being strong and powerful. I don't know if I'm clear, but my point is, women should not be held to a standard. Nobody should be.

EDIT: And, may I add, when I say that "she tackles hard subjects in a way that doesn't portray her as strong", I should say "tackled", because people come for her based on songs she wrote 7 to 10 years ago. Reminds me of that one critic who gave Joanne a poor rating because it felt attention-seeking when she wore a meat dress.

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3 hours ago, Sneaky Oliver said:

 

She was not bashing or dragging them, she was dragging the media for criticizing her for doing basically the same thing those girls were doing. Please stop this narrative that Lana was bashing them because many people here were hating her for no reason. It’s not that fault some people can’t comprehend simple texts without having to pit women against each other. 

That's why I put "dragging" in quotes cause the majority of people thought Lana was bashing them while I never saw it as a drag directed towards the women she mentioned. 

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18 hours ago, BUtterfield 8 said:

So we getting it in January 2022

I won't complain as she's just released and album and hopefully will be able to tour! I just hope she works with Rick Knowles again

[Evil R 1,084]

"And I want revenge"

That sounds exciting.

[StrawberryBlond 14,899]

Knowing Lana, this may not materialise but any new music from her is always a joy especially as we've just experienced her shortest album. Though I wonder how this may affect potential Grammy nominations if she'll have 2 bodies of work competing for nominations as I believe there's rules that you can only be nominated once per category. But maybe she's trying to double her chances. And if she's challenging all the misconceptions people had about her, I'm here for it. People underestimate this amazingly intelligent, talented woman and for what? And for anyone calling her weak and reliant on men, Lana has always been fiercely independent. She moved out super young, as she sings in her new song, she moved down to Florida when she was just 19 to work as a waitress, she's lived in different parts of America, usually on her own, has never been formally tied down to any man through marriage and has made her own money writing her own songs. What about that is not strong? Imagine how claims that that is somehow weakness makes women like me feel who have never done any of that stuff and are in their 30's? Let us women live our lives as long as we're not hurting anyone, for God's sake.

[shoful 13,304]

I hope this is a continuation of COCC of songs like White Dress, TJF, Yosemite, and Dark But Just A Game. This album is a masterpiece. Even if it doesn’t come June 1st. I assume we’ll at least get the album within the year so that’s still impressive. 

[FfFfFfFF 56,150]

21 hours ago, MikeyL said:

I love the album name, hope it stays same

Judging based on the trend of her releaving working titles (Black Beauty, Music To Watch Boys To, Bird World, White Hot Forever) and then changing them (Ultraviolence, Honeymoon, NFR, COCC), it's likely this is not going to be the final title.

[Sister 9,907]

I just wrote a freaking long reply and it got accidentally deleted. lol

Oh well, long answer short, No one and especially NOT a group of people, just because they have the numbers, should EVER dictate and act like they have a right to school what an artist CAN make their art about. It's not about THEM, this is Lana's body of work, she decides. Imagine being Lana in some of this and her situation. Also, she is a female and these people coming for her want to proclaim themselves as champions of women's rights and feminists issues, whilst publicly bullying and shaming her. 

Lana should not change for them, she should write what she wants and if people don't like it and it rubs them the wrong way, there are numerous other artists that they can choose to listen to and support instead.