Black actress as queen of England

[Gabi001 2,182]

13 hours ago, Chromatican said:

I understand why people could see this as a double standard because a white actor wouldn’t be considered for the role of say Harriet Tubman, but considering race isn’t a major part of the story and this is a fictionalized reimagining I don’t see a huge problem. To me, this is just like if Romeo or Juliet were played by non-white actors. Phantom of The Opera is set in France, but the phantom has been played by actors of all races, the character is still French. This isn’t rewriting history, and not all films/tv has the same goal in mind. 

But Romeo and Juliet is a fictional story, but Anne was a real person

[Karen Smith 10,026]

17 hours ago, GagaSine said:

This website feeling a bit racebaitdaily today  don’t worry a black person playing a white person isn’t going to evaporate all your white privilege

😱

Not you thinking it's about some stupid privilege  I-

[seba 291]

3 hours ago, ZiggyZiggs said:

huh? i am chill lol? if there's anyone who 'cant argue' its you. also nothing idiotitc about my comparison cuz white people played poc roles as recent as 4 years ago so your post is quite nonsensical lmfaoo

i mean there is an 'idiot comparison' here it aint mine tho

"The fact that someone long ago made stupid and racist things means we have to repeat them, this time polarizing? " - also this from your previous post makes ZERO sense. a black woman portraying a white queen isnt racist, in the slightest. calling that 'stupid and racist' is in fact....stupid and racist 

"no, you can't argue" "no, your comparison is more idiotic" okay now I understood that you are only a loud child who writes without order, logical composition and any sense.

your attempt to explain your idiotic comparison is even more idiotic. So maybe don't compromise yourself anymore, because if i will see another post that starts with this moronic „huh?” then I will doubt that you can reason deductively at all. 

 

[gag 22,449]

12 hours ago, Delulu Rogers said:

All I was saying was that in recent years white people have been called out for misrepresentation and there has been a whole movement about it. As there should be. But that means that I highly doubt a white person playing a POC with the same claims as "it's fiction or their race had no bearing on their story" would be able to fly. It would most likely be met with backlash and calls for accurate representation. Which in that case it would be a double standard.

Treating people of different races the exact same is an extremely simplistic view of race and media representation. This approach erases centuries of context and any nuanced discussion between the very real differences between people of different races. White actors currently have an advantage in Western film industry. That is an indisputable fact. A white person getting a role for a job that should've gone to a POC actor does not hold the same weight as the opposite happening.

You can call it a double standard all you want but it's about creating equity, not equality, for all races.

[FATCAT 59,079]

8 hours ago, myluis617 said:

Keep the same energy for other roles of color being taken by white people. There needs to be diversity in film, I just dont think there should be double standards. Scold white actors for doing one thing and then turning around and praising actors of color for doing the same...

We live in a society built upon racism against people of color. The reason that it seems like a double standard is because you're boiling things down to just labels and not their meaning in America. 

[FATCAT 59,079]

5 hours ago, Little99 said:

Not you thinking it's about some stupid privilege  I-

It is though. Now those "white" acting jobs aren't just going to be handed to white people if there are better poc actors. 

[Sarah H 2,883]

6 hours ago, NCgaga said:

It makes zero sense. Ann Boleyn was an actual figure. She was not a character. A character is Ariel, in the little mermaid. It doesn’t matter what Ariel’s race is. She is a character from fiction. Ann Boleyn is an actual person. 
 
Each historical figure should be played to accuracy, not to fit some agenda. Jesus being white, is and was and agenda. It was innacurate. This is no different. If you are against historical figures being played by white people, then you should feel the samE way for historical figures in Northern Europe. This is the site of little simple minded hypocrites.

Exactly. It doesn't matter about fictional characters as they aren't real. I didn't understand the fuss some people made over discussion of a black James Bond as he is a fictional character. But I don't see why the race of any real person should be changed. 

[President Biden 5,898]

7 hours ago, PartySick said:

Except all those peoples races are integral to their personalities and characters. A race-bended version of each makes zero sense.

The queen though? I'm no British monarch expert but afaik her skin color doesn't matter

That’s not true. The British royalty’s whiteness is heavily integrated with the fact they’ve perpetuated colonialism for centuries.

[Chromatican 4,046]

7 hours ago, Gabi001 said:

But Romeo and Juliet is a fictional story, but Anne was a real person

Anne has already been depicted by multiple white actresses though in different adaptations. This is a fictionalization of her story, not a historically accurate retelling like other films and tv adaptations have been.

[Chromatican 4,046]

2 hours ago, President Biden said:

That’s not true. The British royalty’s whiteness is heavily integrated with the fact they’ve perpetuated colonialism for centuries.

Is this film going to focus on colonization though? A lot of people just want to see stories with a British Royalty backdrop, not necessarily get a history lesson.

[Chromatican 4,046]

Anne Boleyn was portrayed by Clara Kimball Young in a 1912 short film about Cardinal Wolsey.

She was portrayed by Henny Porten in the 1920 film Anna Boleyn, directed by the young Ernst Lubitsch.

She was portrayed by Merle Oberon in the 1933 film The Private Life of Henry VIII which won an Oscar for Charles Laughton's portrayal of Henry.

Joyce Redman played Anne on Broadway in 1949 opposite Rex Harrison's Tony Award-winning portrayal of Henry in Maxwell Anderson's play Anne of the Thousand Days

Elaine Stewart played Anne Boleyn in the 1953 film Young Bess, starring Jean Simmons, Deborah Kerr and Charles Laughton.

Vanessa Redgrave played Anne in the 1966 film A Man for All Seasons.

Geneviève Bujold won a Golden Globe Award, and was nominated for an Oscar, for her portrayal of Anne in the 1969 film Anne of the Thousand Days.

Dorothy Tutin was nominated for a BAFTA TV Award for her role as Anne in the 1970 drama serial The Six Wives of Henry VIII. That drama was compressed into a 1972 film version entitled Henry VIII and His Six Wives, starring Charlotte Rampling as Anne.

Julia Marsen portrayed Anne in historian David Starkey's 2001 documentary TV series, The Six Wives of Henry VIII.

Jodhi May portrayed Anne in the 2003 British TV movie version of the novel The Other Boleyn Girl.

Helena Bonham Carter portrayed Anne in the 2003 TV movie Henry VIII, later released as a DVD (Ray Winstone portrayed Henry).

Natalie Dormer portrayed Anne in the Showtime series The Tudors in seasons 1 and 2 (2007 and 2008); and season 4 (brief cameo, 2010). She was critically praised for her performance, and won two Gemini Awards.

Natalie Portman portrayed Anne in the film The Other Boleyn Girl in 2008.

Howard Brenton's 2010 play Anne Boleyn(Shakespeare's Globe) was centered on Anne's life.

Claire Foy portrayed Anne in the 2015 BBC two television series Wolf Hall.

Maria Callas, Leyla Gencer, Beverly Sills, Joan Sutherland, Montserrat Caballé, Edita Gruberová, Anna Netrebko, Sondra Radvanovsky, and Angela Meade all portrayed Anne Boleyn onstage and/or in recordings of the Donizetti opera Anna Bolena.

Lydia Leonard portrayed Anne in the Royal Shakespeare Company's production of Wolf Hall, parts I and II both on Broadway and in London's West End.

In 2016, Claire Cooper portrayed Anne in the documentary series Six Wives with Lucy Worsley

In 2017, an episode of Horrible Historiesfeatured Gemma Whelan, portraying Anne Boleyn.

From 2017 to the present, Anne was portrayed by Christina Modestou, Millie O'Connell, and Courtney Bowman in London, Andrea Macasaet in the US, Maddison Bulleyment on the UK tour, Hazel Karooma-Brooker and Kelly Sweeney for the Norwegian Cruise Line productions, and Kala Gare in Australia for the stage production of Six.

[Chromatican 4,046]

On 2/14/2021 at 5:04 AM, Kapi09 said:

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a35482868/jodie-turner-smith-anne-boleyn/

What is going on? 
What do you think about the cast? I think that in historical movies you shouldn't do changes like that. This is just surreal!

Now I am waiting for black Hitler, white Nelson Mandela and white Black Panther 

We just had Polynesian Jewish Hitler in Jojo Rabbit and no one complained. 

[myluis617 5,353]

2 hours ago, Chromatican said:

Anne has already been depicted by multiple white actresses though in different adaptations. This is a fictionalization of her story, not a historically accurate retelling like other films and tv adaptations have been.

The piece of information I have been waiting to be told instead of all these stupid arguements. This single handedly would have saved so much time for those who were confused. Im for it if it's a fictional plot, not a historical interpetation. 

[Hyoha 1,610]

Honestly this doesn’t bug me at all, since it’s still a woman and it’s a reinterpretation of her iconic life. 
A female 007, however, actually makes me not want to watch the movie. They could’ve cast a black man and still honor the source material (the protag’s name is forever immortalized as JAMES BOND in the books).

[andreas85 392]

I don't have a problem with this idea. There are countless different versions of this same story already so who cares if one of them has a black actress playing the queen? Obviously, it's not going to be completely realistic but a film doesn't need to be realistic in order to be good. Also, art knows no limits. It could be just artistic reinterpretation of the true story and these kind of films have existed as long as cinema has existed. White actors have been playing non-white roles also as long as cinema or theater has existed and I'm completely fine with that too. Only thing I care about is that if the artwork itself is actually good or not.