NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Well, I guess I proved my own point didn’t I? Not once have I seen you this passionate about criticizing the US, it’s only when you’re offended that you come and quote users. That won’t move us forward. It enables bad behavior. I don’t like overgeneralizing. If I see it I call it out. What causes anger, or really, annoyance is the fact that a lot of posters here will preach about not overgeneralizing, but will turn around and do it when the shoe fits. And it’s not only you, I just used your paragraph as an example of overgeneralizing. I would actually agree with a lot of what you said, but I think it’s offensive to assume that Americans are all the same way- or that Americans don’t see the flaws in their system. We do- we work to make changes. We are still working to make more changes. But we shouldn’t be grouped or degraded into one category. That’s insulting. And if I see it- I will call it out. I don’t believe in just letting things ride out. I fight for what’s right. When it comes to overgeneralizing, or stereotyping, or grouping- I see this as wrong. So I immediately fight it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, NCgaga said: I don’t like overgeneralizing. If I see it I call it out. What causes anger, or really, annoyance is the fact that a lot of posters here will preach about not overgeneralizing, but will turn around and do it when the shoe fits. And it’s not only you, I just used your paragraph as an example of overgeneralizing. I would actually agree with a lot of what you said, but I think it’s offensive to assume that Americans are all the same way- or that Americans don’t see the flaws in their system. We do- we work to make changes. We are still working to make more changes. But we shouldn’t be grouped or degraded into one category. That’s insulting. And if I see it- I will call it out. I don’t believe in just letting things ride out. I fight for what’s right. When it comes to overgeneralizing, or stereotyping, or grouping- I see this as wrong. So I immediately fight it. If you actually read, you would have noticed I said not all Americans are like this, and my critique was mostly about the culture - and the attitude that it creates. Try re-reading instead of going on a reactionary tirade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: If you actually read, you would have noticed I said not all Americans are like this, and my critique was mostly about the culture - and the attitude that it creates. Try re-reading instead of going on a reactionary tirade. At no point did you say “not all Americans”. U you can reread that paragraph for yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamite 59,372 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, SetMeFree said: ok just remember that and keep that same energy six months from now when the chromatica tour goes on For one thing I doubt it's going ahead, either way 6 months away is not *now* and will be an entirely different situation and if it's still bad then concerts still won't happen... but you're the one who asked what we're supposed to do, I gave the obvious answer - not host an audience attended Superbowl right now. Or do you think the US has enough of a handle on the pandemic we've now been in for a year to do that?? Like a poem said by a neydy in red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, NCgaga said: At no point did you say “not all Americans”. U you can reread that paragraph for yourself. I did in a later post, go re-read and come back when you’re ready to discuss without the faux-offended dramatics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Morphine Prince said: I did in a later post, go re-read and come back when you’re ready to discuss without the faux-offended dramatics. I’ve discussed plenty with you. You got called out. As an offenderA you don’t get to chose who you offended right? Practice what you preach. Don’t be a hypocrite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NCgaga said: I’ve discussed plenty with you. You got called out. As an offenderA you don’t get to chose who you offended right? Practice what you preach. Don’t be a hypocrite. I’m only offending the type of people my post was directed at. Not sure why you, who claims to be different, is offended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: I’m only offending the type of people my post was directed at. Not sure why you, who claims to be different, is offended. It’s simple. Because you said Americans- not some or half Americans. Americans. Do you like being grouped with Neo-Nazis, especially if you spent almost two years campaigning to get them out of office- and campaigning for daca recipients, etc. There, my friend is the flaw. The flaw you cannot admit to. The flaw of overgeneralizing a whole country of people. That’s it. That’s what’s offensive. If this doesnt easily lay things out for you, than you are obviously chosing to be a hypocrite out of pride. But do you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCgaga said: It’s simple. Because you said Americans- not some or half Americans. Americans. Do you like being grouped with Neo-Nazis, especially if you spent almost two years campaigning to get them out of office- and campaigning for daca recipients, etc. There, my friend is the flaw. The flaw you cannot admit to. The flaw of overgeneralizing a whole country of people. That’s it. That’s what’s offensive. If this doesnt easily lay things out for you, than you are obviously chosing to be a hypocrite out of pride. But do you. It isn’t offensive to me to be included with these people because I know I am not them. But they still represent a part of the US. And I am part of the US. I’m not afraid to admit that. Time to accept reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDeWayne 211 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 You've heard of white fragility. Now meet American fragility. For real though, Morphine Prince was commenting on the general culture in the US which can, indeed, be very toxic. Not sure why certain users were so triggered by their comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnDeWayne said: You've heard of white fragility. Now meet American fragility. For real though, Morphine Prince was commenting on the general culture in the US which can, indeed, be very toxic. Not sure why certain users were so triggered by their comment. I’m sorry, are Americans not supposed to be offended my overgeneralization? Are we the exception to the rule? Please explain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, JohnDeWayne said: You've heard of white fragility. Now meet American fragility. For real though, Morphine Prince was commenting on the general culture in the US which can, indeed, be very toxic. Not sure why certain users were so triggered by their comment. My theory is some people don’t like to hear their culture critiqued and masquerade that feeling by saying the generalization offends them. It’s basically gaslighting the other person and turning away from the real issue, which is the topic that was originally critiqued (in this case, American culture). They may do this consciously or unconsciously as a by-product of that very culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: My theory is some people don’t like to hear their culture critiqued and masquerade that feeling by saying the generalization offends them. It’s basically gaslighting the other person and turning away from the real issue, which is the topic that was originally critiqued (in this case, American culture). They may do this consciously or unconsciously as a by-product of that very culture. I explained why it was offensive. You constantly disregard the other half of the country that is fighting on the frontline and in campaigns to make our system better. You could focus on the other half, which is perfectly fine- but instead you lump us into one category, one culture- that is your verbiage. That is your rhetoric. You’re chosing not to see what I’m saying, and that’s fine. At least it’s clear now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,064 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NCgaga said: I explained why it was offensive. You constantly disregard the other half of the country that is fighting on the frontline and in campaigns to make our system better. You could focus on the other half, which is perfectly fine- but instead you lump us into one category, one culture- that is your verbiage. That is your rhetoric. You’re chosing not to see what I’m saying, and that’s fine. At least it’s clear now. Culture doesn't equal everyone in that culture. What are you not understanding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Culture doesn't equal everyone in that culture. What are you not understanding? Because you’re equating “Trump Culture” with “American Culture”. What do you not understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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