The Child 18,997 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Reez said: Why is everyone saying she couldn't explain the concept of ARTPOP? I think it's too abstract to be explained. Even with Chromatica, the concept is pretty abstract imo, especially when she's explaining it in those little videos on Spotify. Also, I think she tends to sound complicated on purpose and likes being misunderstood sometimes The concept of ARTPOP is that it doesn’t have a concept, Gaga just made it up along the way. ‘If religion be the cause of disunity, then irreligion is surely to be preferred.’ ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naak Le Vaar 1,222 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Ikr? Let's shift to hating Chromatica instead Lmao they blocked my signature Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I used to love and workout to ARTPOP back in 2014, but I don’t think it aged well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerboi14 807 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It's her weakest album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOP BALL 148 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'll never understand why so much hate Even Gaga seems to hate it It will be my favourite album forever anyways I'm addicted to delusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 59 minutes ago, Anderson123 said: I don't see what wrong with Aura, Donatella and MJH using previously made instrumentals and Venus a sample. Gaga had a vision for these songs while creating them and they sound good, no matter if some are just copy and paste. That's how the music industry works sometimes. Those who think Gaga and a producer sit in a room and write a song and music from scratch all the time will end up disappointed. My issue with it is that it's not what I would call artistic. Especially on an album that is supposed to be about putting the art first, and about self expression, I feel that its a cheap shot to have a beat made initially for someone else on an album about art. Gaga literally called out this behaviour in 2016 when speaking to Zane Lowe. She said that people nowadays just call up a producer and they supply them with a beat and then the "artist" sings over it. That's why she wanted an organic experience for Joanne. It's clear that the label pushed an agenda onto Gaga for ARTPOP that was different from the vision she had in mind, and because of that ARTPOP's vision got distorted. I don’t see what is artistic about someone coming up with lyrics over a beat which was made for someone else and already exists in someone else's vision. For an album like ARTPOP, all the tracks should have been produced exclusively for ARTPOP and only ARTPOP. Not 2-3 year old beats recycled/bought for an album. End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, ThePopDevil said: I don't think people still understand what Gaga wanted to do with ARTPOP. The whole thing about this album and era was for Gaga to not fit in into one image or perception of who she is as a person but more importantly as an artist. A major criticism of the album has always been that it's not cohesive sonically. But that was the whole point of the album - to not conform to one genre or structure, unlike for example Chromatica where it was a homage to 90s house, which is why it is regarded as so "cohesive". Gaga served edm (Aura), edm infused disco (Venus), industrial edm (GUY), synthpop (Sexxx Dreams), trap (Jewels n Drugs), glam pop (Manicure)..and that's just the first 6 tracks. Gaga really wanted to make the music that she wanted to make at that particular point in time without regarding what her management or her fans wanted from her. And I love that. I hate when singers make music to please their fans. Even with how Gaga presented herself during the era, her wardrobe was club kid-heavy and every time she presented herself to the public, even just going outside of her hotel she looked different every single time, was to never stick to one image or the image of how a pop star should look like. That was the whole "put art in the forefront" thing, for her to be able to express herself in whatever way she wants to, release whatever music she wants to. The problem was that people saw "art" in the title and thought she was gonna sing about art in a philosophical sense. But the weight in the songs on this album is in the spirit that they were made in. ARTPOP is challenging yes, but that was its whole purpose. Well I don't think the point of Chromatica was to not have a cohesive sound considering Gaga said "the only way to play this album is from start to finish". It was meant to be listened to all the way, so it was supposed to be cohesive. ARTPOP was more about self-expression and not conforming to the norm. It wasn't supposed to be a mess. ARTPOP is an EDM album with different facets of electronic dance music. But most of it was technically out-dated because it didn't get out on time (not her fault). To put a 'futuristic' vision into outdated music... it doesn't make sense. Chromatica started off as an homage to 90s House, but it isn't just 90s House music. There's early 00's dance music, late 80s dance music, even jazz and gospel influences, as well as big power dance songs. There is still a huge variety within Chromatica and it doesn't conform to what is typical of house music. The difference is that its navigated much better than ARTPOP and its her most cohesive album as each track flows into eachother and sounds like they belong there End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson123 36,395 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said: My issue with it is that it's not what I would call artistic. Especially on an album that is supposed to be about putting the art first, and about self expression, I feel that its a cheap shot to have a beat made initially for someone else on an album about art. Gaga literally called out this behaviour in 2016 when speaking to Zane Lowe. She said that people nowadays just call up a producer and they supply them with a beat and then the "artist" sings over it. That's why she wanted an organic experience for Joanne. It's clear that the label pushed an agenda onto Gaga for ARTPOP that was different from the vision she had in mind, and because of that ARTPOP's vision got distorted. I don’t see what is artistic about someone coming up with lyrics over a beat which was made for someone else and already exists in someone else's vision. For an album like ARTPOP, all the tracks should have been produced exclusively for ARTPOP and only ARTPOP. Not 2-3 year old beats recycled/bought for an album. It doesn't matter if people consider it as artistic or not, it's Gaga's work and art is expressed in many ways, sometimes ones we do not understand or agree with. I don't think that's what she meant with Joanne, she was probably talking about the sound of the album and not the way it was written because Perfect Illusion and Come To Mama were demos created by Kevin Parker and Father John Misty that were given to her. I do agree that the label had some weight on ARTPOP and some of the things we got were because of them but in the end we got a really good album. And she continues to do this, Sine From Above for example was a 7 year old song written with Axwell for Elton's album then reworked to fit Chromatica. In the end it's not about whether a song is created for a specific album or re-used from old demos, it's what you do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Smith 10,026 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Maybe because it had no one strong concept and one clear artistic vision. Gaga tried to make it art too hard and it didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo Craig 55,649 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Anderson123 said: It doesn't matter if people consider it as artistic or not, it's Gaga's work and art is expressed in many ways, sometimes ones we do not understand or agree with. I don't think that's what she meant with Joanne, she was probably talking about the sound of the album and not the way it was written because Perfect Illusion and Come To Mama were demos created by Kevin Parker and Father John Misty that were given to her. I do agree that the label had some weight on ARTPOP and some of the things we got were because of them but in the end we got a really good album. And she continues to do this, Sine From Above for example was a 7 year old song written with Axwell for Elton's album then reworked to fit Chromatica. In the end it's not about whether a song is created for a specific album or re-used from old demos, it's what you do with it. She wasn't talking about the specific creative process for any album, but she referred to it as "the system" and at that time she wanted young musicians to know that you don't always have to ring up the producer to get a beat but rather do it organically. She actually called "the system" to be not artistic. I agree that art comes in many forms, but I think taking someone else's art and making it your own isn't artistic. Sampling is different in the way in which it is sampled... but taking a whole track that was done for someone else, editing out the lyrics and putting your own, isn't artist. The difference between Sine From Above and Donatella is that Sine From Above is not the same Sine From Above from 2013. The production is not the same as what it was, and Gaga came up with the idea of Sine From Above. Its probably a completely different song from 2013. Donatella has the exact same beat as Karma Bitch, but Gaga gave it new lyrics. It is what you do with it that's important, but is it not lazy to have several beats already done rather than letting the producers create new fresh beats? End Racism Now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePopDevil 103 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said: Well I don't think the point of Chromatica was to not have a cohesive sound considering Gaga said "the only way to play this album is from start to finish". It was meant to be listened to all the way, so it was supposed to be cohesive. ARTPOP was more about self-expression and not conforming to the norm. It wasn't supposed to be a mess. ARTPOP is an EDM album with different facets of electronic dance music. But most of it was technically out-dated because it didn't get out on time (not her fault). To put a 'futuristic' vision into outdated music... it doesn't make sense. Chromatica started off as an homage to 90s House, but it isn't just 90s House music. There's early 00's dance music, late 80s dance music, even jazz and gospel influences, as well as big power dance songs. There is still a huge variety within Chromatica and it doesn't conform to what is typical of house music. The difference is that its navigated much better than ARTPOP and its her most cohesive album as each track flows into eachother and sounds like they belong there girl i dont think u understand what im saying chromatica was meant to be cohesive because it is a homage to hosue and dance music yes. im not saying it was just influenced by 90s house but that was the largest source of inspiration. anyway the reason why people on here and general stan culture dont vibe with ARTPOP is because unlike for example chromatica, which has a clear vision sonically and sticks to it the whole way through, ARTPOP is the complete antithesis of a "concept album" that stans love. The concept of ARTPOP was not inside the songs but it was about in the process of making them - it was about creative rebellion, the biggest pop star in the world releasing songs like swine and aura is a complete **** you to the music industry system. gaga just wanted to make edm music it doesnt matter if u think it was dated compared to the edm trend that was dying out - which gaga herself started with the fame. she loves edm and thats what she made. tbh the sxsw concert she did was the complete vision of what ARTPOP meant - a singer not bound by big corporations just performing and getting her vision out with no restraints. a career highlight no matter what anyone says i will never understand people who dont understand where gaga was coming from for ARTPOP but i guess only her and us intellectuals who get it will enjoy it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePopDevil 103 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said: She wasn't talking about the specific creative process for any album, but she referred to it as "the system" and at that time she wanted young musicians to know that you don't always have to ring up the producer to get a beat but rather do it organically. She actually called "the system" to be not artistic. I agree that art comes in many forms, but I think taking someone else's art and making it your own isn't artistic. Sampling is different in the way in which it is sampled... but taking a whole track that was done for someone else, editing out the lyrics and putting your own, isn't artist. The difference between Sine From Above and Donatella is that Sine From Above is not the same Sine From Above from 2013. The production is not the same as what it was, and Gaga came up with the idea of Sine From Above. Its probably a completely different song from 2013. Donatella has the exact same beat as Karma Bitch, but Gaga gave it new lyrics. It is what you do with it that's important, but is it not lazy to have several beats already done rather than letting the producers create new fresh beats? gaga has said in interviews that she didnt want to touch the piano during the process of making ARTPOP. she just wanted to make beats during some part of ARTPOP and thats totally ok lmao like i dont get ur point in the validity of the songs its just so vapid sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePopDevil 103 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Little99 said: Maybe because it had no one strong concept and one clear artistic vision. Gaga tried to make it art too hard and it didn't work. the whole point was to not have a concept lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawUp 132 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 A little off topic but I did not know how to start a thread, G.U.Y. is just shy of 100 million on YouTube. Could we possibly have a listening party to help the deserved reach a new milestone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvon 1,857 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I love ARTPOP. I didn't love it when it came out but it became my fav 3 years later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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