FrederickSpears 2,077 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Colin Jost is hotter and funnier anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterofFame 1,785 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 9 hours ago, JoeMo said: I doubt their intentions were to offend but it was in poor taste. But why do some people get a pass though? This is the problem with today's SJW's and cancel culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoxo Adriana 15,040 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 i personally didn’t find it offensive, but i see why some people would be. it’s just very poor taste and cringeworthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: Yeah no, I have to disagree. The joke continues to spread the notion that transpeople are nothing more than drag queens and cross dressers essentially parading around in costumes. And that they must "tuck" or do something with their genetalia in order to assimilate into culture and be "normal." And if trans people (and allies) are offended by the joke, there is validity to that. I think your post brings up an issue that I see always - claiming that we all must simply "get over" offensive remarks and actions as to not ruffle feathers and have a grand ol time. As much as we see people calling out injustice, we see others clinging on to it in order to avoid the issue at hand and learn. But that continues to hurt trans people and the rest of the LGBTQ community in the long run. When we let these jokes slide and don't educate the world about the varying types of people, genders and orientations that exist in the community, it eventually results in hate speech, crimes, and even death. If anything, now is the time to shut this **** down, not let it slide. Transpeople generally do try to assimilate into mainstream culture though? Obviously I know transwomen are not drag queens, but tucking and being a woman with a penis is still a reality for most transwomen, and there is comedy to be had in that experience. This is a pretty tacky and tasteless joke, but it is far from offensive. I think decisions made under the Trump administration, trans bans and right-wing fearmongering has done the primary damage to the trans community, and that left leaning shows and communities can bring some levity to a subject matter that many people don’t understand. Shutting down any discussion or tacky joke is not a way towards acceptance. We must educate, but also not expect perfection from our allies, as this will inevitably turn off a good chunk of the population, 99% of which is not trans and 96% is not LGB. We are in the 2020s now, we have a president who is much more supportive of transgender people than Trump was, and a growing awareness and acceptance of transgender people. Freaking out over stupid jokes is just not going to bring people to our movement. Talking about legitimate issues, educating people on trans issues, and supporting positive representation of the trans community is much more important with where we are politically and culturally. LGBT people in North America are well on our way to winning the culture war, let’s not set ourselves back by focusing on myopic issues like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACATL 1,303 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 It’s comedy and not meant maliciously. They make jokes on race, sexuality, etc all the time. The more biting the better. We gotta lighten up folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,180 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I think the joke feels icky because trans people are extremely marginalized and vulnerable in today's society that any joke made at their expense can literally be dangerous. It's not the same as joking about gays who at this point are fairly integrated into mainstream (western) society, or even joking about people of color (who are still marginalized, but whose position in society is not as precarious as trans people). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,251 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Supersonic said: I'm gonna give you the answer you maybe don't wanna hear but need to hear: There's no right or wrong and nobody gets a final say because there's no federal trans joke tribunal with a grand jury. You're reliant on your own critical thinking skills. But there's some great questions in cases like this that make stuff a little easier. What's the intent of the joke? What's the punchline of the joke? Is the punchline of the joke a stereotyical trope about a marginalized group? How accurate is the joke? Who is telling the joke? What are the power dynamics between the person who is telling the joke and the group/person who is the butt of the joke? Does the joke make sense? Is the joke funny? What people misunderstand about progressive discourse is really that no one is trying to censor people. No one is trying to take away free speech or instate federal transphobia censorship bureaus. People are entitled to be as bigoted, misguided and ignorant as they wanna be, after all we can't control people's minds. But like... freedom of speech also means that when you make a joke that somebody doesn't like... they're ENTITLED to take you to the side, try to educate you, question your material and intentions, berate you, criticize you or straight up say "i think your joke is garbage, here's why:" That's the price you pay for your right to free speech, you make yourself vulnerable to other people's view points who don't agree with you. Whether you wanna LISTEN of course is also up to you. BUT if somebody tries engages you in THAT conversation, it's really a compliment because they think you have the mental capacity of reasoning, empathizing, understanding and being able to come to a common denominator after a 30 minute talk. Progressive discourse is not trying to become an authoritan institution that throws people in discrimination jail, it's trying to tell people why their statements might be ignorant and come across as... douchey and then genuinely hoping that people actively choose to not be a douche anymore. This is, of course, the combative part of this discourse. Because people think that if you disagree, or don’t apologize, then you lack empathy and “mental capacity”. But sometimes, it really is just not that serious. Of course sometimes these conversations are worth having, but there is a fatigue when it comes to these types of things too and not every moment can be a “teachable moment.” Often it just pisses people off and leads to them excluding trans people instead, even if they may be more receptive in other situations. SNL not talking about trans issues means less positive exposure to cis people, means less humanization and less favorable views. I don’t see the benefits here. To prove a point to people who are already pro-trans right and make everyone else more hostile towards trans people? We should pick and choose our fights, and if you think this one is worth fighting, go for it. I can’t agree that it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 74,825 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Like... no. Just no. Is it that hard not to talk about trans people's genitals? It wasn't even a funny. chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 74,825 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Chromatican said: This is a pretty tacky and tasteless joke, but it is far from offensive. How has it not registered 5 pages later that it really is not for a non-trans person to decide whether a trans joke is offensive or not. Feel free to give passes for gay jokes or whatever you identify with. But let trans people decide for themselves whether they're offended or not. chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Stop talking about trans woman’s genitals challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JINNOCIDE 3,820 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I reeeeeeeally don't get these "but these jokes have been told since forever! People are just sensitive nowadays!" argument. It's so ignorant lmao Like, just because something awful is going on for a lot of time you'll just willing let it be? What's so difficult in understanding that we have marginalized group of people that actually are being MURDERED just for EXISTING and being for centuries the laughing stock of the whole world, having trouble to adapt and just live their lives in general and it's simply not funny to make bad jokes about them? Is that THAT HARD to grasp? Seriously? I feel like a lot of people simply don't have the empathy to care at all. You can joke about anything and make any subject being funny, it's not that hard. To depreciate someone =/= being funny (and I know the joke itself didn't have anything depreciative, but you get the point). Some of you take the exact arguments people use to stop LGBTQIA+ for having rights and it baffles me how y'all don't see that. STAN RINA SAWAYAMA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNJ 4,170 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 7:13 PM, Agunimon said: With a platform as big as SNL, you're going to have people being offended and there is no reason for people here to be discrediting that of them by arguing that it 'wasn't offensive'. It wasn't offensive to me either, but that doesn't change that someone else found it offensive. tbh I'm pretty skeptical that Michael even wrote this joke. He didn't seem too enthusiastic about the punchline of it, even as he was delivering it and he was pretty quick to dismiss the joke based on his body language. I know on some weekend updates they read it for the first time as they are delivering it. I wasn't meaning that it wouldn't be offense to somebody, but just like any other issue, you need to pick your fights; or no one will take the outrage seriously when something truly repugnant happens. His intent and history is the context by which I am judging that this was not malicious. He took a risk, as comedians do, and he fumbled. This is nothing to blow up about and am actually curious as to who first brought it up. Che is co-head writer. From Jost's face, it seems the joke was discussed beforehand. "She's an intellectual, your honor" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BLAiNE 1,238 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 The more we become incapable of being able to laugh at ourselves and each other in good spirits and equally, the further we drift from any sort of peace and acceptance. The backlash to things like this, instead of giving energy to things that require it, is precisely why there always seems to be turmoil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 hours ago, KNJ said: I wasn't meaning that it wouldn't be offense to somebody, but just like any other issue, you need to pick your fights; or no one will take the outrage seriously when something truly repugnant happens. His intent and history is the context by which I am judging that this was not malicious. He took a risk, as comedians do, and he fumbled. This is nothing to blow up about and am actually curious as to who first brought it up. Che is co-head writer. From Jost's face, it seems the joke was discussed beforehand. Okay. I am not sure why you included the first part in response to me. I agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsy101 5,452 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 huh i thought that was kind of funny when i saw it on saturday, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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