Morphine Prince 106,248 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, ToxicHot said: There’s plenty of hip-hop musicians that aren’t black, and their music stills falls into the “urban” category (Eminem, Mac Miller, Iggy Azalea, Macklemore, Post Malone, Lil Dicky, Lil Pump, Lil Xan, Bhad Bhabie... [definitely not saying I’m a fan of ALL of these artists, I’m just listing examples]). “Urban” isn’t meant to define a color, just a style of music. It just so happens that hip-hop and rap are dominated by black artists. Do you consider jazz to be black music too because it has black origins? I just want to say one thing: Black people created most of the modern music we listen to today. It doesn't "just so happens" .... they popularized many of these genres. Jazz, rock and roll, hip hop, rap, trap, even Pop music would be nothing without the contribution of black artists. The King of Pop is a black man. Black American artists are responsible for generating BILLIONS of dollars for the music industry and cultural exchange and influence worldwide. All music (referring to modern popular music) is black music. As Gaga said a few months ago: "Lady Gaga has attributed “all music” to the black community in a wide-ranging interview that sees her discuss race, music, depression and rebirth. The pop star, who released her sixth album ‘Chromatica‘ in May, said the influence of black artists on all areas of music cannot be understated." https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/music/lady-gaga-talks-politics-and-art-in-new-interview-all-music-is-black-music-thats-just-a-fact-2755991 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicHot 6,444 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Agunimon said: Its appeasing to the stereotype that rap music is for black people. I don't agree with it, but I do understand it. I lived in and worked in the hood for many years where most of my friends were black and most of them only listened to rap, at least around other people. It's not politically correct thing to say, no, and it does have some racist implications, but it's a general stereotype and stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. I for one love Starbucks. Yes. Thanks for expanding my point. It’s just a stereotype. But the genre has just come so far, I mean I really feel like hip-hop has become so universal. It’s no longer just “black music”. dOnT sAd ReAcT mE 2 bE sHaDy i WiLL RePoRt U!!1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicHot 6,444 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: I just want to say one thing: Black people created most of the modern music we listen to today. It doesn't "just so happens" .... they popularized many of these genres. Jazz, rock and roll, hip hop, rap, trap, even Pop music would be nothing without the contribution of black artists. The King of Pop is a black man. Black American artists are responsible for generating BILLIONS of dollars for the music industry and cultural exchange and influence worldwide. All music (referring to modern popular music) is black music. As Gaga said a few months ago: "Lady Gaga has attributed “all music” to the black community in a wide-ranging interview that sees her discuss race, music, depression and rebirth. The pop star, who released her sixth album ‘Chromatica‘ in May, said the influence of black artists on all areas of music cannot be understated." https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/music/lady-gaga-talks-politics-and-art-in-new-interview-all-music-is-black-music-thats-just-a-fact-2755991 Yes yes yes! I didn’t mean to diminish the progress and impact black people have made on music today, I was just trying to make my point quickly lol. Of course they’ve attributed and influenced a lot of what we listen to today. dOnT sAd ReAcT mE 2 bE sHaDy i WiLL RePoRt U!!1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, ToxicHot said: Yes. Thanks for expanding my point. It’s just a stereotype. But the genre has just come so far, I mean I really feel like hip-hop has become so universal. It’s no longer just “black music”. I agree, but I'm one of the few here who listen to rap. In fact most of the music I listen to is rap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels n Drugs 4,629 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, ToxicHot said: What? Can you explain a little bit what that’s supposed to mean?? There’s plenty of hip-hop musicians that aren’t black, and their music stills falls into the “urban” category (Eminem, Mac Miller, Iggy Azalea, Macklemore, Post Malone, Lil Dicky, Lil Pump, Lil Xan, Bhad Bhabie... [definitely not saying I’m a fan of ALL of these artists, I’m just listing examples]). “Urban” isn’t meant to define a color, just a style of music. It just so happens that hip-hop and rap are dominated by black artists. Do you consider jazz to be black music too because it has black origins? Except you wouldnt use urban do describe white artists tho even if they make hip hop music. Like a said earlier when someone says urban its clear what race they mean. oh look when you werent looking my motorcycle turned into a piano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicHot 6,444 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, Agunimon said: I agree, but I'm one of the few here who listen to rap. In fact most of the music I listen to is rap. Me too. I listen to hip-hop/rap more than any other genre, although this past year I was more into pop. dOnT sAd ReAcT mE 2 bE sHaDy i WiLL RePoRt U!!1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToxicHot 6,444 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jewels n Drugs said: Except you wouldnt use urban do describe white artists tho even if they make hip hop music. Like a said earlier when someone says urban its clear what race they mean. Actually no... that music is typically still considered urban if it’s not pop or something else (yeah, Iggy, Post, and Macklemore have hits that lean a lot more towards pop but they’re still very hip-hop to the core in their albums). So what about reggaeton and Latin trap/hip-hop/rap? Those genres are labeled as urban because it derives from a hip-hop sound. Quite obviously, these sub-genres aren’t dominated by black people but rather Latinos (but clearly there’s that hip-hop influence along with it). In the “Latin” music scene the term “urbano” is used to describe these types of sub-genres regardless of color. Like someone said earlier, “urban music = black music” is just a stereotype and assumption. dOnT sAd ReAcT mE 2 bE sHaDy i WiLL RePoRt U!!1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 It’s amazing this argument is still going. The true tea is, not liking rap music doesn’t mean you hate black people. Not liking Starbucks, or opera doesn’t mean you hate white people. Not liking Hibachi steak and rice doesn’t mean you hate Japanese people. Not liking bluegrass doesn’t mean you hate southern people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 hours ago, ToxicHot said: What? Can you explain a little bit what that’s supposed to mean?? There’s plenty of hip-hop musicians that aren’t black, and their music stills falls into the “urban” category (Eminem, Mac Miller, Iggy Azalea, Macklemore, Post Malone, Lil Dicky, Lil Pump, Lil Xan, Bhad Bhabie... [definitely not saying I’m a fan of ALL of these artists, I’m just listing examples]). “Urban” isn’t meant to define a color, just a style of music. It just so happens that hip-hop and rap are dominated by black artists. Do you consider jazz to be black music too because it has black origins? all music is black music, but “urban” music refers to black-led genres (i.e r&b is considered urban, but country is not, even though they both have black origins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Jewels n Drugs said: Except you wouldnt use urban do describe white artists tho even if they make hip hop music. Like a said earlier when someone says urban its clear what race they mean. this is particularly exemplified by the ‘urban contemporary’ category at the grammys it’s an excuse to not give black artists noms in bigger categories rihanna could release an EDM album and be nominated for urban contemporary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,891 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I find it unusual that most of the names in the upper echelons haven't really had big hits in quite a while. The disparity of most popular streaming names vs. who's actually got hits right now is quite stark and something I've never fully understood. I remember Meghan Trainor once said something not all that long ago about how she ranked quite highly in most streamed charts and I wonder how that could be as she'd not had a reasonable hit since 2016. I'll never get why some names are as big as they are on Spotify but their music doesn't sell as much. That's a question for the fans and why they're prepared to stream only but not buy. On 1/3/2021 at 8:45 PM, Flawless said: You guys are always so defensive when someone points out a possible racist behavior, it doesn't looks good tbh. Much better to reflect, and try to understand the reason why the topic is being discussed. Everyone can have a racist attitude without even realizing it. The important thing is to rethink and understand why that is problematic. It looks like that you are more afraid of being called racist than interested in learning and seeking to understand and improve. There is nothing wrong with feeling offended when someone suggests you may be racist if you're actually not. Not only is this very hurtful to your feelings but it massively affects how those who have witnessed the accusation see you. Some people will take every accusation as true, being online frequently does that, some people need very little proof to believe something. People should be allowed to make a very simple comment about how they don't like a genre of music without being assumed there's something deeper going on. Music affects everyone differently and what moves one doesn't move the other, that isn't something that needs to be explained. As someone for whom music is my lifeblood, when I see it suggested that the reason someone doesn't like a certain form of music is for nefarious reasons, it really bothers me as music for me is a spiritual experience that has nothing to do with prejudice and to make assumptions of listeners like that goes against the whole purpose of music appreciation to me. The reason why we so afraid of being called racist is because if we're not, the accusation sends a message to us about the way the other person perceives us. To be a racist, for my standards, means to be stupid, shallow and heartless. So to accuse someone of being a racist conveys that the accused must be those things. To be called racist, and therefore, to have it be suggested that you must be stupid, shallow and heartless is deeply insulting and hurtful. It's not a bad reflection of the person to feel that offence if the accusation is untrue. And sometimes, the accuser has jumped to conclusions without thinking it through. 22 hours ago, Jewels n Drugs said: But is "urban" music a genre or just a term for black music ? Urban music has always been an umbrella term for a type of music that was invented in the city. "Urban" means "city." That's what its always meant, there was never a racial component built into the word It was only when music started to be labelled this way that different interpretations started to happen. No one has an issue with country music being called country. It was invented out in the countryside, apparently, there's no negative connotation there, but some people took issue with the word urban. If someone wants to label black music as urban music incorrectly (reggae, for example, isn't urban, it wasn't invented in the city) or only refer to black musicians as urban or assume that because a musician is black that they must make urban music, that's an issue. But the mere term "urban music" should not be problematic. Contrary to what you said about white artists who make urban music never being referred to as urban, I have heard them be referred to as such and I myself have done it, although I always refer to an artist's music as urban, never the artist themselves. I don't think people should be called urban. But music, definitely. I think it's a better term than "black music" as I don't think race should be referred to in the mere genre of a form of music nor should a genre bear a name that suggests only those of that race should partake in it. And we don't call country, pop or EDM "white music" so we should apply the same standard across the board. 24 minutes ago, FentyGa said: this is particularly exemplified by the ‘urban contemporary’ category at the grammys it’s an excuse to not give black artists noms in bigger categories rihanna could release an EDM album and be nominated for urban contemporary I liked the term "urban contemporary" as I felt it perfectly encapsulated a style of modern music that was very difficult to pin down. There's many artists now who make a style of music that mixes rap, hip hop, trap and RnB and as those are genres within themselves, how do you classify an album that involves all those genres. To use the umbrella term "urban" (which these forms of music are) and then add "contemporary" after it, as it was a modern take on urban music, seemed perfect in my mind. I must point out that Beyonce got nominated in non-urban categories for Lemonade. Don't Hurt Yourself got nominated under Best Rock even though the album itself was put under Urban Contemporary. Her album The Gift, which was clearly an embodiment of all forms of black music, got nominated under pop as well. Though I do agree that the academy does like to put artists in a box when it comes to this kinda thing. But it happens to white artists too. When a white artist makes pop, they're pretty much stuck in that category forevermore even when they quite clearly jump ship. Taylor had to actually ask the academy to no longer submit her music under country when she switched to pop and her folk album was not nominated under folk, it remained under country. I also wouldn't call Gaga's Joanne album or Lana's last album under pop but that's where they got put. Justin Beiber was also annoyed this year when his RnB album got put under pop. Issues with album categorisation happens across the board. And black artists have been nominated and won in the big categories many times, actually. It's worth noting that Eminem's been up for AOTY multiple times but never won, yet routinely won in the rap categories. It may well just be an issue with older members of the academy truly not appreciating a younger form of music as opposed to racism. It's just a theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loathereality 26,464 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Y’all acting like 90% of trap music is not extremely sexist, looking down on women as sexual objects Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 @StrawberryBlond to answer your last point, I exclusively stream my music rather than buy because of the price. I am currently studying and receiving very little money and if I actually bought my music it would cost me loads whereas with streaming I am consistency supporting artists and at the mercy of my fingers I have access to 60 million+ songs for £4.99 whereas if I bought music I wouldn’t have access to all that music. I am a great supporter of streaming but I do believe streaming will improve in the future. Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galagala 4,616 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Jewels n Drugs said: Urban music is black music tho And disliking country music doesn't equal to hating white people, either. One is music genre, another is the whole race. Jeez.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler k 5,330 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 12:37 PM, Guille said: same why is urban music so popular basically, i dont get it the racism jumped out! mmmy name ~isn't~ aliceee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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