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[Delulu Rogers 7,080]

47 minutes ago, Suuus said:

What you seem to forget is that gaga cant do big tours anymore because of her fibromyalgie also atleast she still tours

I haven’t forgotten. And as I said earlier that’s totally okay since it’s for her health. But that’s all the more reason ppl are frustrated and disappointed that she’s not communicating or giving content because not only can they not see her perform but now she’s not even supporting the era anymore. 

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Because Gaga's fans are very passionate. Gaga is used to give us only the best, and maybe it can be frustrating for some to not have signs of life after releasing such a fantastic album like Chromatica. 

But Gaga deserves some time. She's gone through hard times, and this year has been really difficult for everyone. Try to breathe and distract yourselves from reality. Hopefully she'll come back stronger then ever with many surprises. 

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On 12/25/2020 at 10:46 AM, kukuryku666 said:

20 smthing years old and just started

vs.

30+, 12 years in the industry with chronic pain and mental problems + global pandemic

It's not like we don't see the difference, we just understand them

This made me lol because it reminded me when I started my career job I was so excited to be in meetings. Now I can't stand them.

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On 12/25/2020 at 5:04 PM, JOSHMATICA said:

I don’t blame her as Monsters are so mean lol (not all) but they constant attack her team and throw her under the bus, I hope she communicates with us more soon as I think she still loves us.

Exactly!!! She is telling us to be kind❤️

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13 minutes ago, alicefromabove said:

Hopefully she'll come back stronger then ever with many surprises. 

she won’t 

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2 minutes ago, spector said:

she won’t 

Well, I tried at least 

[Sorcerer92 837]

2 hours ago, Enigma said:

Maybe besides the JWT, she sang surprise songs at her old tours, had costume changes sometimes, would call a member in the audience, etc. It was way more organic than Enigma

Help me understand the point you're making because I feel like I'm missing something here  Joanne World Tour had different costumes for each act of the show, at my show in Tampa she recognized a local artist for painting a mural of her in the city (can't remember if she called him on stage but she autographed a small printing of the mural for him), and at the Houston date she sang Grigio Girls in memory of Sonja.

I will concede and say that Enigma is the comes off on video as least organic of her shows. I haven't seen the show in person so I really can't judge; perhaps you have which will give your position more substance than mine. But isn't calculation just the nature of Vegas shows? Cher and Celine's personality and overall interaction with the audience, for example, is starkly different on tour than it was in Vegas. 

[Suuus 5,632]

1 hour ago, Delulu Rogers said:

I haven’t forgotten. And as I said earlier that’s totally okay since it’s for her health. But that’s all the more reason ppl are frustrated and disappointed that she’s not communicating or giving content because not only can they not see her perform but now she’s not even supporting the era anymore. 

You dont know if she lost interest Maybe there is something going on behind the scènes that we dont about and maybe these fans should find other ways to entertain themselves 

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45 minutes ago, Sorcerer92 said:

Help me understand the point you're making because I feel like I'm missing something here  Joanne World Tour had different costumes for each act of the show, at my show in Tampa she recognized a local artist for painting a mural of her in the city (can't remember if she called him on stage but she autographed a small printing of the mural for him), and at the Houston date she sang Grigio Girls in memory of Sonja.

I will concede and say that Enigma is the comes off on video as least organic of her shows. I haven't seen the show in person so I really can't judge; perhaps you have which will give your position more substance than mine. But isn't calculation just the nature of Vegas shows? Cher and Celine's personality and overall interaction with the audience, for example, is starkly different on tour than it was in Vegas. 

I consider JWT to be a blurred line between her old tours and her new behaviour.

The ones before that had her bring fans on stage, backstage, etc. 

But AFAIK she never performed something new or anything. It was different from the artrave where she’d sing unreleased stuff, incorporate C2C, etc. 

It was still an amazing show (I attended it). What I’m saying is not negative, it’s just objectively true that the interactions with fans become way more rare and less organic.

Enigma is way worse. None of the songs were new to begin with, so it would have needed something fresh. It was inorganic, not fresh, the execution was shaky, and it was expensive as hell.

To me that sounds like a cash grab. If you had went to the JWT, there was little to no reason to attend Enigma. It’s basically the same show, only the latter is more expensive and worse quality.

To me a cash grab is a venture that is more about getting money than it is about creating art. Something uninspired. AKA Haus Labs and Enigma. 

The Fame perfume was not really a cash grab because it was artistic as hell.

The Oreos are a cash grab, but a well done one cause they’re cute and thought was put into them (as much thought as you can put into Oreos).

Haus Labs? Generic. Enigma? Bad execution.

Some of her ventures don’t make sense in her artistic journey and are clearly profit-motivated more than anything. Those ventures far outnumber the artistic ones (her Instagram is 85% advertisements now, and we’ve gotten 10 brand partnerships in this era VS 1 live performance and interview). Whether you find that ok or not is not the question. The fact of the matter is that this is unlike her past self, and that something did change.

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6 minutes ago, Enigma said:

I consider JWT to be a blurred line between her old tours and her new behaviour.

The ones before that had her bring fans on stage, backstage, etc. 

But AFAIK she never performed something new or anything. It was different from the artrave where she’d sing unreleased stuff, incorporate C2C, etc. 

It was still an amazing show (I attended it). What I’m saying is not negative, it’s just objectively true that the interactions with fans become way more rare and less organic.

Enigma is way worse. None of the songs were new to begin with, so it would have needed something fresh. It was inorganic, not fresh, the execution was shaky, and it was expensive as hell.

To me that sounds like a cash grab. If you had went to the JWT, there was little to no reason to attend Enigma. It’s basically the same show, only the latter is more expensive and worse quality.

To me a cash grab is a venture that is more about getting money than it is about creating art. Something uninspired. AKA Haus Labs and Enigma. 

The Fame perfume was not really a cash grab because it was artistic as hell.

The Oreos are a cash grab, but a well done one cause they’re cute and thought was put into them (as much thought as you can put into Oreos).

Haus Labs? Generic. Enigma? Bad execution.

Some of her ventures don’t make sense in her artistic journey and are clearly profit-motivated more than anything. Those ventures far outnumber the artistic ones (her Instagram is 85% advertisements now, and we’ve gotten 10 brand partnerships in this era VS 1 live performance and interview). Whether you find that ok or not is not the question. The fact of the matter is that this is unlike her past self, and that something did change.

Imagine if she at least performed the song Enigma at Enigma, it really would have elevated the show and given it something special imo

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9 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Some of her ventures don’t make sense in her artistic journey and are clearly profit-motivated more than anything. Those ventures far outnumber the artistic ones (her Instagram is 85% advertisements now, and we’ve gotten 10 brand partnerships in this era VS 1 live performance and interview). Whether you find that ok or not is not the question. The fact of the matter is that this is unlike her past self, and that something did change.

well you made some points. 

only 2/50 of her last ig posts are about her music and its tragic. 

somebody needs to wake her up from this nonsense tbh. 

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3 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

Imagine if she at least performed the song Enigma at Enigma, it really would have elevated the show and given it something special imo

Yes! It makes no sense to me that this was never planned. How do you create an entire show named Enigma but release the song with that title months after?

Makes me think of Haus Labs with the Stupid Love palette... ma’am... you have an album named CHROMATICA... as in COLOURS... where’s the Chromatica rainbow palette?!

You don’t have to be a little manager to see some very obvious missed opportunities, and those are getting increasingly frequent and it’s frustrating

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15 minutes ago, Enigma said:

I consider JWT to be a blurred line between her old tours and her new behaviour.

The ones before that had her bring fans on stage, backstage, etc. 

But AFAIK she never performed something new or anything. It was different from the artrave where she’d sing unreleased stuff, incorporate C2C, etc. 

It was still an amazing show (I attended it). What I’m saying is not negative, it’s just objectively true that the interactions with fans become way more rare and less organic.

Enigma is way worse. None of the songs were new to begin with, so it would have needed something fresh. It was inorganic, not fresh, the execution was shaky, and it was expensive as hell.

To me that sounds like a cash grab. If you had went to the JWT, there was little to no reason to attend Enigma. It’s basically the same show, only the latter is more expensive and worse quality.

To me a cash grab is a venture that is more about getting money than it is about creating art. Something uninspired. AKA Haus Labs and Enigma. 

The Fame perfume was not really a cash grab because it was artistic as hell.

The Oreos are a cash grab, but a well done one cause they’re cute and thought was put into them (as much thought as you can put into Oreos).

Haus Labs? Generic. Enigma? Bad execution.

Some of her ventures don’t make sense in her artistic journey and are clearly profit-motivated more than anything. Those ventures far outnumber the artistic ones (her Instagram is 85% advertisements now, and we’ve gotten 10 brand partnerships in this era VS 1 live performance and interview). Whether you find that ok or not is not the question. The fact of the matter is that this is unlike her past self, and that something did change.

Thank you for responding. You make a ton of great points that I can easily agree with because you presented them so eloquently, unlike some here.

I have never seen Enigma as a cash-grab in the traditional sense. It's always been one of those "because we can" type of deals. It conveniently appeared during her 10th year on the scene and I seen it as a celebration of 10 Years of Gaga; even the shows in first half of 2019 felt the same for me. The value of Enigma didn't begin to erode for me until she took it on the road to the various conventions she played for; but I'm a weirdo who believes a show created for Vegas should stay in Vegas. I hope when she returns to fulfill her contract with MGM she returns with an all new show. If it's Engima with a few minor changes, then I'll be more concerned. 

Haus Lab is definitely a cash grab. Admittedly, I'm not someone who wears make-up so I cannot accurately comment on its value but it feels cheap. Nothing about Haus Labs seems organic or groundbreaking for the cosmetic world. Eye shadow, eye liner, foundation? Insert groundbreak.gif from The Devil Wears Prada. I think she dropped the ball here, for sure. Haus Labs was an opportunity to create a unique make-up line that was in competition against the other brands for the product itself, not simply because it is attached to the name Lady Gaga. Even her marketing of it as gender neutral isn't remarkable because unisex make-up has been around for years. 

As far as the Oreos, I don't feel one way or the other about them. I generally think its a harmless ploy that will have minimal impact on the promotion of the album. Oreo is a respected cookie brand and I don't think it necessarily harms her brand but it doesn't add anything either.  I believe if things were normal this year, the Oreo partnership would have made more sense but alas we will never know what (if anything) it was intended to be paired with. 

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27 minutes ago, Sorcerer92 said:

Thank you for responding. You make a ton of great points that I can easily agree with because you presented them so eloquently, unlike some here.

I have never seen Enigma as a cash-grab in the traditional sense. It's always been one of those "because we can" type of deals. It conveniently appeared during her 10th year on the scene and I seen it as a celebration of 10 Years of Gaga; even the shows in first half of 2019 felt the same for me. The value of Enigma didn't begin to erode for me until she took it on the road to the various conventions she played for; but I'm a weirdo who believes a show created for Vegas should stay in Vegas. I hope when she returns to fulfill her contract with MGM she returns with an all new show. If it's Engima with a few minor changes, then I'll be more concerned. 

Haus Lab is definitely a cash grab. Admittedly, I'm not someone who wears make-up so I cannot accurately comment on its value but it feels cheap. Nothing about Haus Labs seems organic or groundbreaking for the cosmetic world. Eye shadow, eye liner, foundation? Insert groundbreak.gif from The Devil Wears Prada. I think she dropped the ball here, for sure. Haus Labs was an opportunity to create a unique make-up line that was in competition against the other brands for the product itself, not simply because it is attached to the name Lady Gaga. Even her marketing of it as gender neutral isn't remarkable because unisex make-up has been around for years. 

As far as the Oreos, I don't feel one way or the other about them. I generally think its a harmless ploy that will have minimal impact on the promotion of the album. Oreo is a respected cookie brand and I don't think it necessarily harms her brand but it doesn't add anything either.  I believe if things were normal this year, the Oreo partnership would have made more sense but alas we will never know what (if anything) it was intended to be paired with. 

Tbh I don’t have a problem with the existence of Enigma, I just think it was missed opportunities on all fronts (as someone said, where was the Enigma song and why didn’t the release match the show? Why even put Enigma on Chromatica and not as a single or on a side project so it can be used in the show? It just feels sloppy) and that there were ways to make it interesting, but there wasn’t even an attempt. A single, 4 new songs, something? Actually I was even down with just a regular show if it meant a cool storyline, new looks, etc... But even these things were the worst out of all her shows. What is there left to like about Enigma, besides the fact it’s a Gaga show (which does make it better than most pop shows in general)? When you compare it to her previous work it severely lacks, it was clearly meant for the GP and there weren’t much surprises for the fan, and it pays very well. It’s easy to advance that there was just enough effort put into it to get the pay. I don’t see effort to further her artistic career in that show tbh

And yeah, Haus Labs is rough. I do drag and makeup so I was hyped for it, but it constantly disappointed. The quality is fine to good, but there are thousands of brands with fine to good quality at much cheaper price points and with more consistent and interesting releases. Once again, missed opportunities. There was something to do with an album named Chromatica and the tribes thing in terms of makeup, but it wasn’t done.

And the Oreos are really not a big deal, but I was very impressed by them. The colours and the little designs are spot on, and it’s actually Chromatica themed.

Tbh I think you made me realize the problem. Her art is great yet she barely exploits it. Chromatica was interesting enough to fuel a loaded era. Yet we got one performance. It was super fitting with makeup, yet all we got was a “Stupid Love” palette that only related through name. She barely ever talked about the album outside of the interview.

It’s like she’s created this “generic pop Gaga” persona you can find in Haus Labs and Enigma. It feels like there’s a total disconnect between her album era and everything else she does. I don’t get it? Chromatica is so great, why is she paying it dust?

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I just don’t have unrealistic expectations.  She’s human.  I’m like hella depressed cuz of the pandemic and I have so many unanswered messages and dms across all my social media.  She’s probably depressed and stuck in her house.  I mean.  All of Cali IS on lockdown again.