Chromatican 4,046 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Enigma said: Tell me when any of these has been found in her MVs or performances and impacted the quality? Intel was an actual artistic partnership which is great. The oreos are Chromatica-themed, I'm not mad about them. The Tudor, Tiffany, Valentino... ads give us looks and usually come with her music. Anything related to products has no artistic value and is about money. Think Doritos, Beats, LG, all that. It's not content for the fans that makes money : it's content for the brand that makes money. Which is fine. I'm not trying to demonize her for doing advertising. But her social medias are super dry and looks like a billboard. One of every two posts is about Oreos, Haus Labs (that's easily 50% of what she posts now), the Adobe contest, Valentino... So yes, when she shows more advertising than personality and art, the intuitive reaction is to see a seller, not an artist. The G.U.Y. music video had minecraft promo, the Telephone music video had a ton of product placement, the SuperBowl ht show had Intel tech, Bud Light was featured during the Dive Bar tour etc. I don't see how LG impacted the 911 music video negatively, it is her most acclaimed music video in years. She partnered with Gucci during ARTPOP, and has worked for other brands as well. This narrative is simply untrue. The Oreo crap is the only branding I think is dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma 7,182 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, Chromatican said: The G.U.Y. music video had minecraft promo, the Telephone music video had a ton of product placement, the SuperBowl ht show had Intel tech, Bud Light was featured during the Dive Bar tour etc. I don't see how LG impacted the 911 music video negatively, it is her most acclaimed music video in years. She partnered with Gucci during ARTPOP, and has worked for other brands as well. This narrative is simply untrue. The Oreo crap is the only branding I think is dumb. But the Minecraft thing fit in lol, literally 2 seconds before she's built out of legos. As I said Telephone makes sense because she was in her prime and had to secure the bag. The Intel tech is good? It's literally a creative improvement. Bud light during a dive bar tour makes sense... The partnerships used to be sporadic tho. Not systematic. Now every MV is a partnership with something. It just gives the feel that she makes video to promote stuff, not that they use her videos to be promoted. And as I said, look at her insta. Haus Labs Haus Labs Haus Labs Oreos Haus Labs Selfie Haus Labs 911 Haus Labs Adobe Selfie Haus Labs Gagavision Haus Labs Valentino Haus Labs Selfie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Enigma said: But the Minecraft thing fit in lol, literally 2 seconds before she's built out of legos. As I said Telephone makes sense because she was in her prime and had to secure the bag. The Intel tech is good? It's literally a creative improvement. Bud light during a dive bar tour makes sense... The partnerships used to be sporadic tho. Not systematic. Now every MV is a partnership with something. It just gives the feel that she makes video to promote stuff, not that they use her videos to be promoted. And as I said, look at her insta. Haus Labs Haus Labs Haus Labs Oreos Haus Labs Selfie Haus Labs 911 Haus Labs Adobe Selfie Haus Labs Gagavision Haus Labs Valentino Haus Labs Selfie The music industry has drastically changed. A ton of people did iPhone partnerships, Gaga's was just underwhelming lol. LG was fine in 911, Haus Labs is a project, not a partnership, and Gagavision is something that has been around forever as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma 7,182 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, Chromatican said: The music industry has drastically changed. A ton of people did iPhone partnerships, Gaga's was just underwhelming lol. LG was fine in 911, Haus Labs is a project, not a partnership, and Gagavision is something that has been around forever as well. You're missing my point entirely. I never said the LG partnership in itself destroyed 911. Haus Labs is still a cash grab. Gagavision was mentionned because it's on her instagram, not because I have a problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darqo 4 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 hours ago, FFXIV WhiteMage said: I'm just glad that I stan a woman which has connection to rich tech guys and was able to raise millions to fund organizations to fight the pandemic. She also played an active role in the election of her country despite the probable backlash. She have this foundation on-going as well as some kindness initiative in the form of a book. She also nabbed a leading role on a film and is set to play a supportive role on another. Oh yeah, she have some small businesses here and there with some cute collaborations with a staple food brand. Although her engagement to global and political issues are quite alarming and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, I still find it amusing that such a person can do that. Honestly, she had done so much this year, it may not be about her own music. To some people, those just doesn't count since it's not about pop. Although I agree with the sentiments here since most of you lot stanned her as an MPG. However, she's not that enigmatic crazy weird pop girl nowadays. She's delving with different facets of her talents and trying to explore them. All the meanwhile being active on social (and even medical) issues. I like so many pop artists but I've never encountered one that matches her repertoire. In a chess game, she's like the queen. She can move in all directions and have higher reach than her peers. Love this <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowlicker 3,513 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 At the end of the day it's about her creativity. These brand deals don't do anything but show up in exchange for funding her projects. They have little say in how things look as long as they aren't being misrepresented. Gaga used to pay for her own videos, but nobody is making money off music anymore. So if you want more ~grandiose videos and performances, this is what has to be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Enigma said: You're missing my point entirely. I never said the LG partnership in itself destroyed 911. Haus Labs is still a cash grab. Gagavision was mentionned because it's on her instagram, not because I have a problem with it. Your point is not there. Rihanna, Gaga, Beyonce and Taylor all do cash grabs. The people criticizing this era are nit-picking. The brand sponsorships are not out of the ordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo 7,809 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 she doesn't owe us anything tho, like if she wants to become a businesswoman it's her choice as it's our choice to move on if that doesn't suit us, for example I was a big Hilary Duff fan back in the 00s, she clearly went through a big music phase from Metamorphosis to Dignity, then she moved on to acting, since I care only for her music I stopped following her, I was disappointed and moved on, I'm no longer her fan but I listen to her music every now and then and I enjoy it a lot since it brings a lot of nice memories, so I guess if Gaga wants to do whatever she wants it's ok, it's her life, I'll take what I want from her as she did when she needed us to catapult her to fame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucee 1,690 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 i always compare her to Bowie, he's done so many commercial things, and also weird music choices for the fans. he did glam, soul then rock then pop (which was scary for the fans), he even had a rock band for two records (fans were kinda 'meh')... He made movies and soundtracks and theatre, but he never stopped making art anyway. hello hello baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
youandi 2,110 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 No. Makes me sad amount of threads like this lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsygaga1 3,623 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 You guys really need to stop feeling so strongly about an artist If she wants to promote her other businesses, that is totally fine. Of course, you are free to critic her and speak your mind, but it really shouldnt bother anyone that she is doing things other than music. Pop music and stanning in general should be something fun, and if you are annoyed by anything that the artist does, just switch your focus to another artist...it's really not that hard Perfect Ilusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Stupid Love was turned into a commercial for iPhones and an eye shadow pallet. Rain On Me was used in an Amazon commercial. 911 was used to promote LG TVs and Lamborghinis. Sine From Above was used to promote a designer fragrance. The only live performance of this era featured some dramatically over priced rain boot product placement. And of course, Chromatica Oreos. All her art this era has been commercialized and turned into a for-profit venture. Add Tudor watches, a fragrance campaign, bronzer, blush, eyeliner, lip crayons, the immanent skin care line, the pre-era residency that became lucrative private "software people" and AT&T events, I think it's fair to say she isn't just using these ventures to "fund" her art, and that she is firmly interested in profits in a more substantial way then she previously was. Fans are sensing the balance of her being an artist and business woman weigh more heavily in the balance of business then it has in the past. If that bothers you, you aren't pretentious. If it doesn't bother you, you aren't a blind stan. There is room for everyone's opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayCristoforo 10,607 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I don't think she's a puppet but she's certainly doing a lot of the things she previously condemned as meaningless lol Get the pinot ready, because it's turtle time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putang Ina Mo 2,141 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 8 hours ago, COOOK said: For one, wasn't she so "technologic" during The Fame, and "techHaus" was an ARTPOP thing? Where's that forward thinking in 2020, where artists are relying on technology more than ever? But I guess that's a different topic of discussion... This ⬆️ my username says it all 🇵🇭 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaya 15 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 i mean , guys, you should leave gaga project that you dont like. choose what you want to like and support. dont talk too much about what you dont like. you dont need waste energy to think about issue that you dont like. make your mind free. as simple as that for me.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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