Shawn mendes misgendered Sam smith on iheart jingle ball 2020

[NichuuB 43,788]

Just now, Jill said:

No, what I mean is that people should separate gendering objects from gendering people, and accept that people have preferences and identities other people should respect.

I know that. I won't neutralize a object or a animal because it doesn't make any sense. What I am saying is that because everything has gender, the prejudice and crucification of NB people is worst in counties from latin america, the iberic peninsula, some african countries, france...

[LG666 1,930]

It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone to just know their gender.

We still live in a world where image dictates someone's perception of gender. Sam is very male presenting and someone who doesn't follow Sam's life wouldn't know their pronouns automatically. That's incredibly unfair to expect that from someone so removed from Sam. 

Should we cancel Shawn and say he's problematic? Absolutely not.

Should we start asking people what their pronouns are? Yes. But we are unfortunately a ways away from that as a society, as a whole. I would like this to happen. But it won't be for a long time despite the small steps towards progress.

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

1 hour ago, Kimmo said:

I’m sure Mr dancer didn’t mean to do it on purpose, calm down people 

When you ask a friend to play DDR for the first time...

[bpsy 15]

who cares LMFAOOOOOOO was he supposed to predict sam's gender?

[Bottom 1,842]

nothing like a bit of gay on gay crime

[Miel 15,009]

Some of y’all come on here just to disrespect the concept of respecting people’s gender identity oh my god 

[MJHolland 12,725]

3 hours ago, Bonkers said:

This kind of misgendering just brings attention to the issue.  I don't know why you can't be a he or she non-binary person.  But here we are.

yes sis give us blaming nonbinary people pop off

I'll wait for Shawn to acknowledge the situation to hopeful clear up a situation of unawareness and that he cares. 

[Guest SetMeFree]

who literally ****ing cares 
it's not like it was intended with malice 

[MJHolland 12,725]

3 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this. Reported? Really?

I'm sorry but yall need to give society some time to adjust. Adults who have all their lives referred to people as he or she may sometimes slip up because it isn't something we're used to. It will hopefully become so in time with NB visibility and it's good to point it out like the last tweet respectfully did, but to attack people like this is exactly the word he used; self righteous.

You're literally acting like these are two nobodies that walked passed each other on the street 

They're both A list celebrity musicians, it's hard to imagine Shawn didn't know Sam's pronouns it literally made front page news

And you shouldn't really be defending Shawn until he does what's right and apologizes.  

Ew I actually hate how regressive you all are (not specifically you, potter), it makes me happy Gaga starves this fanbase LMAO 

[Bonkers 29,010]

14 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

yes sis give us blaming nonbinary people pop off

I'll wait for Shawn to acknowledge the situation to hopeful clear up a situation of unawareness and that he cares. 

Sis?

thanks for respecting my gender identity.  But really, who cares. 

If you want to be self righteous, at least don't be a hypocrite.

Gaga is tired of judgemental people, tbh.  How you doing with that?

As far as your comment about being glad that Gaga is "starving" this fanbase - I don't feel starved because I'm not waiting around for a pop princess to provide me with an era.  That's just sad.  I hope she's doing whatever she *wants* to do, because her career is for her, and it sure is hell isn't something she's withholding because she's distraught that we're not woke enough on pronouns.

[Mr Ricky 9,050]

It can be confusing though 

I respect everyone’s choice, but we live in a world now where things like this are pretty new to all of us. All this, non-binary stuff has got me literally all confused on what people actually want to be, and it gets so far that people come up with the strangest thing. 

I honestly can see why he did make a mistake, he should apologize privately and not publicly. 

If I see a person, I can literally not use the word “it”, to call it by that. It sounds offensive somehow 

[VOLANTIS 16,373]

2 hours ago, Sorcerer92 said:

These types of discussions are not a joking matter. The comments you made were neither funny nor necessary. You dug your grave, now lay in it. 

I'm laughing at how you ALL wont stand for @Jill making a joke but 99% of the members commenting here doesn't find anything wrong with Shawn mis-gendering Sam, the actual point of discussion + will give Shawn a pass for his rudeness but will drag Jill for using the word "reported". Seriously? Why? Because Shawn is just another rich muscular twink? 

The absolute irony with this sh*t show is BEYOND. 

[TWICE on hatius 4,746]

24 minutes ago, Mr Ricky said:

we live in a world now where things like this are pretty new to all of us

NB people have been existing for a long time in history though. For example, two spirit people in native America history. And non-binary as a term had existed long before this decade.

24 minutes ago, Mr Ricky said:

If I see a person, I can literally not use the word “it”, to call it by that. It sounds offensive somehow

Actually most of us use they/them or other gender-neutral pronouns.

24 minutes ago, Mr Ricky said:

All this, non-binary stuff has got me literally all confused on what people actually want to be,

The thing is that you don’t have to understand what us want. We present a choice for you to respect our pronouns, which signals back whether we should pay the respect toward you. Cause you know, respect is a two way street.

24 minutes ago, Mr Ricky said:

I honestly can see why he did make a mistake, he should apologize privately and not publicly. 

 

Yes I agree. It’s difficult for Shawn to get Sam’s pronoun correctly assume that he knows nothing about them. But it’s worthy to consider that Shawn is actually under public’s eyes. A little more research would  help avoid this situation. Regardless, it’s a simple mistake which can be fixed easily.

[Alannah 2,957]

While Shawn probably didn't do this on purpose, a lot of the shots taken at Sam for coming out and expressing their gender identity have been on purpose and it's frickin' gross. If you don't care for Sam's music, you still have to respect their identity. Some members truly show their hypocrisy when threads involve their "non faves".

Educating others and supporting polite pronoun corrections will do a world of good to support our NB friends.

To those NB folks who read this thread and ever need someone to talk to, my PMs are always open. You're valid, no matter how "confusing" it is for others.

[Ivannn 1,120]

so what?! Give him a break...