Anybody who feels this way about Gaga nowadays?

[HausOfAntonio 7,995]

32 minutes ago, HotLikeMexico said:

These are just assumptions tho. And we will probably never know. 

No they’re not? She’s expressed how deplorable the state she was in during that time is. The way fans act like she’s a robot for their entertainment is despicable. She has said time and time again that back then she was on drugs, depressed, anorexic and bulimic, had suicidal thoughts and panic attacks. She’s only recently got better help and we know that through GFF2 and all of her recent interviews where she talks about mental health. You can see in old footage of her that something was always off. And now she knows that recovery is a never ending road but at least she seems to be in a better place. 

[Guest WhoDoWeHaveHere]

6 minutes ago, Stephen said:

We can see this clearly in Stupid Love. It's pure pop joy and positivity. There's nothing dark, edgy, sexy or deep about it. It's just pure love and happiness.

Exactly. I mean no one would have ever thought of her wearing pink unironically back in 2010.
It's like she turned from elphaba into glinda. which is very healthy for her i think. and still fun to watch.
just a different vibe.

[Enigma 7,182]

Reminder that you are not married to Gaga and that the FBI would not come knocking at your door if you decided to hate her. This is something we forget because this is an echo chamber but... there are people out there who heavily dislike Gaga. So it would be a start if you all stopped acting like expressing disapointment towards her was a punishable offense.

On one hand, I'm very relieved because Chromatica exceeded my expectations pretty much. After the successive C2C, Joanne and ASIB eras, I really thought she was over pop and that she'd promise a comeback for years (she kinda did lol) without actually doing it. So I'm very happy she actually came back, and came back strong.

But it seems like she's in that eternal cycle of either serving good but little, or serving meh by lots. ARTPOP had potential to be a cultural collapse ; it was a collapse period. C2C was objectively her least artistically interesting era, yet it got a TOUR, performances and videos! Joanne was kinda boring, yet it got 2 tours, Coachella and the ****ing Superbowl! ASIB was a cute side project but obviously less exciting than her main projects, yet it got twice the attention any of her recent pop eras got.

Whenever she comes up with a great conceptual moment, she just... misses all opportunities. Stupid Love being the lead, not performing, waiting months in between singles, no promo, no nothing... The tribes thing was super cool and got dropped...

Not to mention the fact she said she hated being a selling point and stopped doing perfume (even if her perfume line was very cool and had artistic elements)... to later on plaster her face all over Amazon's version of Younique makeup. She literally partnered with AMAZON. Y'all CANNOT be serious when you say Haus Labs is not a cash grab. Not to mention the "let's make my video significantly less good to get sponsored by Apple" thing, or the "let's break immersion of my MV to get a deal with LG", or the "let's perform my old stuff for 1 million a night and do corporate gigs" thing. This is a business and there's nothing wrong with a celeb doing it for the money, but to still buy into the whole "music not the bling" shtick at this point is nonsense. And I feel bad for y'all when you spend so much big buck on her cash grabs that are obviously directed at the GP and have no interest for the fans. You don't wear makeup, sis, why did you buy all the Haus Labs sets? 

Yes, you may rave over how she made a video recently all you want, but we're not crazy and evil for noticing something feels off. Because something DOES feel off. The second she does something pop, conceptual, crazy, whatever, the frequency of performances drops to the floor, and we barely hear about her.

So yes, we're allowed to discuss this.

You don't sound like better fans for telling people to shut up for 6 months everytime she does the slightest thing. If anything, you sound like you care less because you're fine with not getting much content.

[MoonIight 1,372]

23 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Sometime I'm very much a cupcake but I'll be super honest here in what I think.

Unfortunately I do think that Gaga's voice has declined, starting sometime in 2018/2019. The good news is - she still sounds great. She went from like 11/10 to 9/10 imo. So it's not a huge deal, but it is noticeable to me. I just hope it doesn't get worse 

She also gets out of breath faster on stage. But that's inevitable as she gets older + her fibro + smoking(?). We can't fault her for that. She's still trying. You can see in the VMA performance she was giving it 100%. You can't say she's a lazy performer. She gives it her all.

@WhoDoWeHaveHere I agree with you that a lot of her early inspirations were rooted in her pain, her sexual assault, her emotionally abusive(?) relationship with Luc, her family trauma, etc. As she's grown up she's healed a lot. She told Oprah in January of this year that she doesn't want to shock the world anymore, as an artist. She just wants to make people happy.

We can see this clearly in Stupid Love. It's pure pop joy and positivity. There's nothing dark, edgy, sexy or deep about it. It's just pure love and happiness.

I think the underwhelming elements of the Chromatica era have been pure unfortunate coincidence. Starting with Stupid Love for example, a lot of people didn't like the video. In the planning stages it seemed like a cool concept. A Michael Jackson-esque dance focused video on planet Chromatica. The original concept art was super stylized and cool:

I think the problem was the director she chose. I think parts of the video are good but as a whole it's definitely missing something, for me. But remember when she shot the video the song had already been leaked. What was she supposed to do? Shoot another video?   Time was running out. She was planning for SL to be the lead for like 2 years and it got leaked a whole month before release.

After dropping the SL video on Feb 28, she immediately went to shoot the Rain On Me video which was largely superior. Remember that the world went into lockdown in early March. She was working really hard to crank out these videos (while also finishing the album, doing the album cover photoshoot, doing the Paper magazine shoot etc). I truly believe that if there was no pandemic we would have gotten many more videos for this album. She was working extremely hard until the world shut down.

She was going to surprise us with a Coachella performance, and Bobby planned a huge promo rollout that was going to rival Born This Way.

After the One World thing - which was amazing - they were trying to scrape together Chromatica promo (digital concerts in May, drive in appearance in July) but the pandemic restrictions kept getting in the way. Not to mention the album release was HUGELY overshadowed by the BLM movement. She just couldn't catch a break. They finally figured it out in August with the VMAs + Billboard cover shoot + 911 music video. 

Now, why hasn't she done more since then? Maybe because 911 didn't pick up as a single? Maybe her anxiety around the US election? Depression? Health reasons? Maybe the fact that she wasn't able to promote the album the way she originally wanted has caused her to feel sad and disconnected from the music? There's a million reasons  it could be. We don't know. 

I guess my point is that I think she DOES still have passion for being an artist. I think this year has just been a series of unfortunate events that screwed everything up. I think we will see her flourish as the pandemic slows down and she either resumes Chromatica or begins a new project. 

Thoughts?

I partly agree with you. Altho the covid excuses were cute back in March/April, even May, but now...

[Stephen 30,350]

1 minute ago, MoonIight said:

I partly agree with you. Altho the covid excuses were cute back in March/April, even May, but now...

"Cute"?   It's not an excuse it's the reality of the situation from March to July of this year.

She began doing things again in August when she was able to, and I gave you a few possible reasons why she stopped again after 911 video, none of them being covid   

If you think she's simply lazy or uninspired then you don't agree with me at all 

[Aloe 1,199]

I genuinely think nothing exciting is going to happen till the end of the year... and strangely I’ve accepted it  
 

like Gaga said blah blah blah acceptance in her chitchat with Oprah for mental wellness 

[Leoooo 2,273]

Listen,

I think she just needs to stop the super intense Choreo, her body is not up for it at all and it takes away from her voice, even if she just does some subtle stuff nobody is here just to see her dance.

She works ****ing hard.

Her past should not be re-disected as anything but the magic it was, as it was.

And lets be real, everyone posting essays about how shes not good anymore, all it will take for her to make one more video or performance where she is in 'true form' and you'll all come running back.

This site is becoming a toxic site to start to drag her and infulence others to look at her differently, when they might not agree, they'll see everyone thinking things and then like her less, this isnt a fan site 90% of the time by the trending posts imo.

She needs to calm it down, chill out and bring back that effortless gaga swag we know she still has.

[HausOfAntonio 7,995]

33 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Reminder that you are not married to Gaga and that the FBI would not come knocking at your door if you decided to hate her. This is something we forget because this is an echo chamber but... there are people out there who heavily dislike Gaga. So it would be a start if you all stopped acting like expressing disapointment towards her was a punishable offense.

On one hand, I'm very relieved because Chromatica exceeded my expectations pretty much. After the successive C2C, Joanne and ASIB eras, I really thought she was over pop and that she'd promise a comeback for years (she kinda did lol) without actually doing it. So I'm very happy she actually came back, and came back strong.

But it seems like she's in that eternal cycle of either serving good but little, or serving meh by lots. ARTPOP had potential to be a cultural collapse ; it was a collapse period. C2C was objectively her least artistically interesting era, yet it got a TOUR, performances and videos! Joanne was kinda boring, yet it got 2 tours, Coachella and the ****ing Superbowl! ASIB was a cute side project but obviously less exciting than her main projects, yet it got twice the attention any of her recent pop eras got.

Whenever she comes up with a great conceptual moment, she just... misses all opportunities. Stupid Love being the lead, not performing, waiting months in between singles, no promo, no nothing... The tribes thing was super cool and got dropped...

Not to mention the fact she said she hated being a selling point and stopped doing perfume (even if her perfume line was very cool and had artistic elements)... to later on plaster her face all over Amazon's version of Younique makeup. She literally partnered with AMAZON. Y'all CANNOT be serious when you say Haus Labs is not a cash grab. Not to mention the "let's make my video significantly less good to get sponsored by Apple" thing, or the "let's break immersion of my MV to get a deal with LG", or the "let's perform my old stuff for 1 million a night and do corporate gigs" thing. This is a business and there's nothing wrong with a celeb doing it for the money, but to still buy into the whole "music not the bling" shtick at this point is nonsense. And I feel bad for y'all when you spend so much big buck on her cash grabs that are obviously directed at the GP and have no interest for the fans. You don't wear makeup, sis, why did you buy all the Haus Labs sets? 

Yes, you may rave over how she made a video recently all you want, but we're not crazy and evil for noticing something feels off. Because something DOES feel off. The second she does something pop, conceptual, crazy, whatever, the frequency of performances drops to the floor, and we barely hear about her.

So yes, we're allowed to discuss this.

You don't sound like better fans for telling people to shut up for 6 months everytime she does the slightest thing. If anything, you sound like you care less because you're fine with not getting much content.

Thats the point though. We are allowed to think that something is off, or to want more content, but people literally bully her into trying to get her to meet their demands when its HER CAREER. She owes nothing and has nothing left to prove, period. Its so childish to act like you have a say in how someone should live their lives. Gaga is doing her thing and if we like it or not its none of her business. No one’s forcing anyone to remain a fan, there are plenty of other pop stars giving people regular content and good for them! But I, and I know many other people, are here because we genuinely love the person that she is and want the best for her regardless of how she presents herself to the public. Its not about “making excuses” for her because we don’t feel entitled to anything to begin with! And neither should anyone imo. 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

33 minutes ago, Enigma said:

ASIB was a cute side project but obviously less exciting than her main projects, yet it got twice the attention any of her recent pop eras got.

It was never intended to be a cute side project. It was her Whitney Houston Bodyguard era and it was a BIG era. Everything about it was perfect from start to finish and the soundtrack is just as good as her solo albums. Some even say it's her best album. 

[Oyster 2,458]

she clearly doesn't wanna do pop music anymore but forces herself too. she should just move on to acting and singing classical stuff 

[giskardsb 12,565]

A lot of you just need to move on to a pop star that is more able to meet your needs.  Treating humans as consumable  pop star commodities is part of the reason why pop stars have a short shelf life. They burn out or move on to something else to escape the mess.  Social media has just made it worse as everyone feels obligated to voice their displeasure directly to the stars themselves.  Get your cash and get out to save your mental health seems like a good strategy. 

[PawsUpJago 1,956]

I really don't get why so many on here have to go into these self indulgent walls of text to explain themselves and their reasons for being over Gaga (or on the other side obsessing over her and hoping you will convince everyone to have the same opinion) 

Like, it's chill if you're done with her, which you very clearly are, but why bother even announcing things like this to the masses and just move on if this realisation has already been so clear to you? 

Just move on or don't, so many of us are so bored with these soapbox threads 

[Micheltown 16]

I have to agree...  

 

[nodandsmile 9,971]

5 hours ago, Borislshere said:

I feel like she doesn't know how to be gaga anymore. I get that we've had moments with "crazy-ga" but it doesn't have that same passion, to me at least. Enigma was where it was truly evident to me that she no longer knows how to do "gaga". IT felt, like another user mentioned, like a parody of herself. Chromatica feels like she forced herself to put out music that she thinks we'd like. Not music or a concept that she's 100% behind. 

Idk what's going on with her and I have/will always support this woman through her endeavors because a talent like hers is extremely rare. Just don't feel that same connection with her recent work like i used to. 

FINALLY some constructive criticism, now this kind of statements can encourage a civil conversation!

for the part hat I highlighted, I think this is it!

I love Chromatica a lot but the passion doesn't seem to be there, she's trying to do more videos, did that VMAs performance to please us but you just feel like she ain't with it really, especially due to the fact that she can go a long time without even acknowledging its existence!

Joanne tho you could tell she loved it! 

[Enigma 7,182]

44 minutes ago, HausOfAntonio said:

Thats the point though. We are allowed to think that something is off, or to want more content, but people literally bully her into trying to get her to meet their demands when its HER CAREER. She owes nothing and has nothing left to prove, period. Its so childish to act like you have a say in how someone should live their lives. Gaga is doing her thing and if we like it or not its none of her business. No one’s forcing anyone to remain a fan, there are plenty of other pop stars giving people regular content and good for them! But I, and I know many other people, are here because we genuinely love the person that she is and want the best for her regardless of how she presents herself to the public. Its not about “making excuses” for her because we don’t feel entitled to anything to begin with! And neither should anyone imo. 

Yes, some people go too far. I do think it’s shitty to be a bitch in her Twitter replies, because chances are she sees it. But the overzealous kindness punks will demonize ANY “negative” discussion about Gaga. Like this one. 

Gaga owes us nothing, but we owe her nothing either.

People are free to unstan, but that’s not easy to do. I almost did prior to LG6 and I’m glad I didn’t cause it ended up being a great album. But I did have that phase of constant disappointment with Gaga yet still sticking with her, and people are entitled to that phase before deciding on whether or not they keep being a fan.

This relationship thing with celebs is plain weird. Gaga doesn’t know you, you don’t have to be censor yourself all the time. It feels like people here feel bad about disliking anything she does.

And sure, it’s one thing to say “I want her to be happy”, but it’s another thing to say “I care so much that I will refuse to have any negative opinion”. 

When you go see a movie, chances are you’ll criticize it for the good and bad. Gaga is yes a person, but also an act. She’s not above criticism.