Islamaphobe attempts to burn a mosque in France

[RenegAde 20,547]

13 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

Christians in Africa celebrating Muslims death,

If you are going to point this out then please also speak of the countless nigerians that have been murdered in the name islam  since their independence  

Its offensive to bring up africa when so many african countries are victims  of incessant terrorism by Islamic extremist . 

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

If you are going to point this out then please also speak of the countless nigerians that have been murdered in the name islam . 

why would I bring that up? the point of my comment is Christians in Africa dont celebrate terrorism, but I can find clips of some and use it to generalize against all Christians. Get it?

[Guillaume Hamon 6,983]

18 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Macron said he will hang the offensive drawings on government buildings everywhere.

He has the full right to do this with no backlash from the Muslim community.

But considering he is the president, he should have supported of free speech and offensive drawings, without getting himself and the government personally involved in the drawings.

He doesn't do it as a "governement event to mock Islam". I understand some Muslims will take it as such but it's not intended as that at all. The goal is to excerce a threatened right that can cost you your life cause if you don't make it a normal okay/ accepted thing it disapears.

I disagree, to me government has to show the example when it comes to show you're free to do so to then send the message fully and not let others ( mayors doing it in their town, drawers etc ) take the actual risk alone.

Imo a support from far away isn't enough seing 40% of teachers said they censored themselves on different subjects including free speech. We have to insist a lot on our rules since they're questionned, splitted on etc all the time.

[RenegAde 20,547]

1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said:

lol why would I bring that up? the point of my comment is Christians in Africa dont celebrate terrorism, but I can find clips of some and use it to generalize against all Christians. Get it?

Whatever ,Just keep Africa out of your mouth when you are defending your religion. 

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1 minute ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

He doesn't do it as a "governement event to mock Islam". I understand some Muslims will take it as such but it's not intended as that at all. The goal is to excerce a threatened right that can cost you your life cause if you don't make it a normal okay/ accepted thing it disapears.

I disagree, to me government has to show the example when it comes to show you're free to do so to then send the message fully and not let others ( mayors doing it in their town, drawers etc ) take the actual risk alone.

Imo a support from far away isn't enough seing 40% of teachers said they censored themselves on different subjects including free speech. We have to insist a lot on our rules since they're questionned, splitted on etc all the time.

I kinda agree, but I think Macron should allow these events to happen instead of creating them himself.

Muslims are okay with allowing mockery of Islam even if they dont like it. But when the president himself promotes these drawings, it becomes an issue to Muslims. Specially when the drawings are extremely racist and problematic against Muslims, not just the prohet and religion.

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6 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Whatever ,Just keep Africa out of your mouth when you are defending your religion. 

 ill bring up Africa whenever I want, it doesnt belong to you

[Guillaume Hamon 6,983]

14 hours ago, coolninjaguy said:

 but you won't hear people raging about it

C'mon it's largely condemned let's not act like if everybody or close was popping champagne  reading that.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,983]

2 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Specially when the drawings are extremely racist and problematic against Muslims, not just the prohet and religion.

I didn't see these yet but if some are it's a whole other story when it comes to defending these then of course. 

[RenegAde 20,547]

Just now, Faysalaaa said:

ill bring Africa whenever I want, it doesnt belong to you

It doesn't obviously , but you are woefully ignorant as to the current issues that plague many african nations all because of Islamic extremist and it makes you sound really tone deaf and insensitive.

We all agree in letting people worship however they see fit but It Is very offensive for you to use africa in your examples when thousands have died at the hands  of Islamic extremism in nigeria alone. And people are literally being sentenced to death for "mocking" allah .

Please respect yourself and respect our struggles 

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8 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

It doesn't obviously , but you are woefully ignorant as to the current issues that plague many african nations all because of Islamic extremist and it makes you sound really tone deaf and insensitive.

We all agree in letting people worship however they see fit but It Is very offensive for you to use africa in your examples when thousands have died at the hands  of Islamic extremism in nigeria alone. And people are literally being sentenced to death for "mocking" allah .

Please respect yourself and respect our struggles 

I am now convinced that you are not capable of understanding my comments. My example was saying African Christians do not celebrate terrorism. But it seems like you intentionally dont want to understand me to get me into what you want to talk about. Sorry im not interested..

And ill continue using Africa as an example when I feel its needed.

[RenegAde 20,547]

6 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

I am now convinced that you are not capable of understanding my comments. My example was saying African Christians do not celebrate terrorism. But it seems like you intentionally dont want to understand me to get me into what you want to talk about. Sorry im not interested..

And ill continue using Africa as an example when I feel its needed.

Proved my point exactly .

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Proved my point exactly .

No point proven at all. I am half African but even none Africans can use my continent as an example. It just depends on what is the example used. My example is in defense of Christians and Muslims in Africa.

[RenegAde 20,547]

3 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

No point proven at all. I am African but even none Africans can use my continent as an example. It just depends on what is the example used. My example is in defense of Christians and Muslims in Africa.

Your example was actually kinda stupid and insensitive . that is the problem, but you are not ready for that conversation so just move along with your day

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1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Your example was actually kinda stupid and insensitive . that is the problem, but you are not ready for that conversation so just move along with your day

My example shows that Christians in Africa do not celebrate terrorism, but I can make it look like they do if I wanted by using propaganda. Anyone could easily understand that by reading the comment.

Please leave my continent out of your mouth please 

[Esteban 2,300]

4 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

Mocking Islam is legal in all western country, and its not a big deal. But Macron got himself too involved in the situation that created all this mess. He should have released a statement against terrorism and in support of free speech, and let the law deal with the situation. But creating an official government event to mock Islam is not responsible. Imagine if Obama decided to mock Islam in an official event by the state?

We aren't a country ruled by religion, there is no place for any religion in the public space, no place for any fears of any religions, so it's important to remember people that we can mock any religion. It's a secular democratic country, people who want to live strictly by their faith have to find another place. 
French "moderate" muslims on twitter are more shoked by a stupid drawing than by an atrocious crime and they say this crime is kinda justified, because they live in the fear of their religion and think everybody should be took in their crazy bigotery.
A part of muslims in France, mostly the young ones (I'm teacher myself in France) don't even understand what freedom of speech is and they tend to forget what a secular democracy is, it's frightening... Their religious laws pass before the law of the country and it's very problematic... So we have to confirm our position as a free country.

Thankfully twitter is not the mirror of the truth, but I was kinda scared when I saw turkish flags everywhere (to support Erdogan's hate speech) in a normally "quiet" neighborhood after the murder and how students talk about it.

So it's a complicted situation really, I hate religion, but most of all I hate hate and sadly I think it will be difficult to avoid what is coming