The Backlash Against Gal Gadot From Starring As Cleopatra Has Started

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If her family was inbred then shouldn’t the actress who plays her also have parents who are cousins or siblings. It’s very inaccurate for Cleopatra to be played by someone who doesn’t have the purest and most noble bloodline! 

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The way they could have just cast a Greek woman and 90% of these comments could have been shut down 

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8 minutes ago, Cybertronica said:

I agree with you, but ancient Egyptians were black African people. There are still descendants of the true Egyptians in the south part of the country, close to Sudan. Those are what the ancient Egyptians looked like. 

 

You might be confusing Ancient Egypt with Ancient Nubia. Black people ofc were part of Ancient Egypt, but according to DNA tests most mummies found in Modern Egypt share a lot ethnically with modern Egyptians. Modern Egyptians aren't sub-saharan African, according to research the best guess is that ancient Egyptians initially migrated from the Fertile Crescent (modern Iraq/Syria/that whole region) and not sub-saharan Africa.

Also countless Ancient Egyptian art depicts them as dark skinned but not necessarily black.

In a way Ancient Egyptians were a distinct ethnic group that is North African and shared with people who are North African today.

TL;DR: Ancient Egypt wasn't homogenous. And surely wasn't black, and most definitely wasn't white.

 

Edit: Check out the Fayum paintings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits) while they're only from 2000 years ago, you can clearly tell that for at least 2000 years Egyptians look fairly similar (if not identical imo as someone who literally knows Egyptians) if not identical to Modern Egyptians.

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2 minutes ago, MonsterPaws said:

You might be confusing Ancient Egypt with Ancient Nubia. Black people ofc were part of Ancient Egypt, but according to DNA tests most mummies found in Modern Egypt share a lot ethnically with modern Egyptians. Modern Egyptians aren't sub-saharan African, according to research the best guess is that ancient Egyptians initially migrated from the Fertile Crescent (modern Iraq/Syria/that whole region) and not sub-saharan Africa.

Also countless Ancient Egyptian art depicts them as dark skinned but not necessarily black.

In a way Ancient Egyptians were a distinct ethnic group that is North African and shared with people who are North African today.

TL;DR: Ancient Egypt wasn't homogenous. And surely wasn't black, and most definitely wasn't white.

This is because Arabs descent from a mix of ancient Egyptians and Abrahamic people. I've done countless years of research on this matter and I can assure you that the ancient Egyptians were black, not as dark as sub-Saharan of course, similar to Sudanese and Ethiopian people in skin tone and facial features. They were East Africans. 

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4 minutes ago, Cybertronica said:

This is because Arabs descent from a mix of ancient Egyptians and Abrahamic people. I've done countless years of research on this matter and I can assure you that the ancient Egyptians were black, not as dark as sub-Saharan of course, similar to Sudanese and Ethiopian people in skin tone and facial features. They were East Africans. 

Interesting, could you link to your research if you don't mind? I used to love history so I'd love to read up on your research.

Edit: also Arabs aren't necessarily descended form Ancient Egyptians idk where you got that from. "Arab" is a fairly loose term. The only "real" Arabs are the semitic tribes from the Arab Peninsula and are a separate group from North Africans. The only thing we share is our Semitic languages and of course some similarities ethnically.

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That's why I'm glad Gaga didn't get/refused the role. The backlash she'd get would be enormous

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1 minute ago, MonsterPaws said:

Interesting, could you link to your research if you don't mind? I used to love history so I'd love to read up on your research.

I also forgot to add that the Arab Caliphate that conquered Egypt assimilated them into their genomes through reproduction which would also explain this and why they're "extinct." 

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/social/race.html#:~:text=modern Egyptian%3A the ancient Egyptians,Macedonian%2C Roman and Arab conquests

This also explains the mixing of ethnicities through conquests and migrations:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-05-31/who-were-the-ancient-egyptians/8572076

 

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Whether or not we want to agree that Cleopatra was "white," can we just all agree that Gaga shouldn't take this role?

I don't necessarily agree with all of the criticism, but also, why would/should Gaga pick a role that'll unnecessarily cause a lot of PR trouble for her?

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14 minutes ago, Cybertronica said:

I also forgot to add that the Arab Caliphate that conquered Egypt assimilated them into their genomes through reproduction which would also explain this and why they're "extinct." 

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/social/race.html#:~:text=modern Egyptian%3A the ancient Egyptians,Macedonian%2C Roman and Arab conquests

This also explains the mixing of ethnicities through conquests and migrations:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-05-31/who-were-the-ancient-egyptians/8572076

 

The second article you linked confirms almost exactly what I wrote though 

"Instead of finding that ancient Egyptians were more African, we actually found them to be almost zero or much less sub-Saharan African than the population that live in Egypt today," he said

So actually Egyptians today are basically more black than ancient Egyptians (according to this article idk if it's accurate).

"They have these closest genetic links to the fertile crescent and the eastern populations of what's now Israel, but if they came from there or if they just evolved with gene flow all the time in this region, we cannot really say."

Also: "We don't really see that there is a lot of genetic turnover when all those foreign invaders came, so they don't seem to have an impact on the normal population of Egypt" so the article you linked also suggests that the conquests didn't affect Egyptians' genetic makeup much.

And on top of that the Islamic conquests to Egypt only came after the emergence of Islam in around 600 AD. The Fayum paintings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits) predates Islam by 500 years.

Islam is a fairly recent religion that comes hundred and hundreds of years after Ancient Egypt. So the conquests doesn't really change much.

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I remember when it was rumored Gaga was considered for playing miss Patra there was a long debate on Twitter and Black Twitter actually came to her defense with viral tweets talking about how Cleopatra was a white woman, a Greek from the Ptolemy dynasty.

What I'm trying to say is, I could care less how they deal with Gal Gadot because I can't stand her hateful ass. An Israeli woman playing an Egyptian queen *cackling* Hollywood strikes again, and yes I know that was long before more recent history so don't bother responding thanks.

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Just reading a few facts about Cleopatra. This is a great story. If the film has a big enough budget to pull it off and a really good script, this would be a great role. Oh, Gal Gadot is beautiful, nuf said.

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If Gal Gadot played a Turkish character in a movie, everyone in my home country Turkey would be pumped and proud while these people would insist she is “too white” or “whitewashing”, even though Gal could easily pass as a Turk/Greek/Levantine Arab. These American people need to stop getting offended by everything when I’m sure virtually all Macedonians/Greeks/Egyptians could care less. Saying an Israeli shouldn’t play as Cleopatra is just ridiculous and racist.

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I'm glad that Gaga didn't got this role, beside the fact that she would get a lot of backlash and a lot of PR trouble, people wont even pay attention to her performance but rather they would say how she should not be playing that role. Anyway Gaga got the perfect role for the Gucci film which fits her a lot better and has an excellent cast that screams Oscar worthy. 

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Some of us new this would happen to Gaga and were chastised by over zealous Gaga clowns. 

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People are really bored.