OMonster 14,675 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, juede said: Chile anyway- instead of listening to that Karl trying to educate people on not to be offended. Muslim people are offended by the song and Rihanna most likely didn't know...but that's not the point. Muslim people were offended. Periodt. If you're not Muslim you don't got a say in this. Yeah, there's no law in offending people but again that's not the point. People were offended. Genuine question... Is art not allowed to be offensive? subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina George 59,387 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Karl said: I totally get your point, and you are right to defend the book for not explicitly mentioning violence. The problem is, just like the witch burnings that happened in Christianity, sometimes the followers of the religion take the meaning of 'sin' too far. This is a very very small minority, but it has still cost thousands of lives, can you see that is why some people have a problem with religion? I’m not defending anything. I am stating facts. Some crazy people take everything too seriously. That has nothing to do with religion. I am muslim, I love gay people. I never judge anyone and I think god is good and therefore no one will be punished for loving. That’s all. You can be muslim and still be accepting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, coolninjaguy said: What kind of logic is that? So I can start mocking hinduism because I don't agree with the caste system? I can start appropriating aboriginal peoples because I don't agree with them hunting endangered species? I can start mocking Chinese people given what their doing to the Uyghurs? Literally every religion/culture has some flaws but that does not allow you to appropriate/mock it just for your "artistic freedom". This has nothing to do with blasphemy ... I don't even know where you got that from. It's about being a decent human being and respecting people's beliefs. If y'all can't see that i'm sorry but you're ignorant. Yes you can.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Who cares honestly? It’s 2020 y’all. Stop deluding yourselves. I don’t know if it’s funny or disturbing that people are still openly religious in 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,396 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Regina George said: I’m not defending anything. I am stating facts. Some crazy people take everything too seriously. That has nothing to do with religion. I am muslim, I love gay people. I never judge anyone and I think god is good and therefore no one will be punished for loving. That’s all. You can be muslim and still be accepting. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Regina George said: I’m not defending anything. I am stating facts. Some crazy people take everything too seriously. That has nothing to do with religion. I am muslim, I love gay people. I never judge anyone and I think god is good and therefore no one will be punished for loving. That’s all. You can be muslim and still be accepting. Im Muslim and Gay. People have no idea what they are talking about. For example, they keep saying Muslims throw Gays off a roof when no Islamic country (out of 55 countries) practice that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obobo 3,091 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, OMonster said: Genuine question... Is art not allowed to be offensive? It is allowed to be offensive. There are no rules to art however keyword "offensive", if its offensive and people are offended I don't see the point of people trying to tell others to not be offended if that was the intention. So a better question to ask is, what was the intention? Is it to be offensive with no substance or is it to be offensive to send a message? Was the intention to be offensive at all or just plain ignorance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Im Muslim and Gay. People have no idea what they are talking about. For example, they keep saying Muslims throw Gays off a roof when no Islamic country (out of 55 countries) practice that. Transgenders are literally imprisoned for life or even murdered in some for simply existing. Also let’s not act like it’s not still a literal hell for LGBT people. I live in the ****ing Netherlands and even here muslim homophobia is prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,675 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, juede said: It is allowed to be offensive. There are no rules to art however keyword "offensive", if its offensive and people are offended I don't see the point of people trying to tell others to not be offended if that was the intention. So a better question to ask is, what was the intention? Is it to be offensive with no substance or is it to be offensive to send a message? Was it the intention to be offensive at all or just plain ignorance? Rihanna / her team clearly didn't set out to offend. If it was intentional, the song was probably used to make a political and religious commentary regarding extremist views on women, fashion and LGBT culture. There's a positive message at the core of it - the idea that sexual liberation and LGBTQ+ identities can co-exist in muslim religion, despite some unrepresentative extremist views. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, LittleMonster20 said: Transgenders are literally imprisoned for life or even murdered in some for simply existing. Also let’s not act like it’s not still a literal hell for LGBT people. I live in the ****ing Netherlands and even here muslim homophobia is prevalent. But I did not say Islamic countries are not homophobic, I said they dont throw Gays off the roof like everyone here is saying. Im simply pointing out how many people have no idea what they are talking about. Some even used Quran verses that are clearly out of context. I am LGBTQ living in the Middle East, I know how hard and horrible it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeYewWhai 2,382 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, coolninjaguy said: Saudi arabia doesn't enforce sharia law they enforce what they want. They literally are one of the most corrupt muslim countries that does the opposite of what it says in Islam. Again y'all are being ignorant without any sort of facts. You feel disrespected by their strict/exclusionary beliefs yet you're literally doing the same to muslims who feel hurt about this? and not even acknowledging that how ironic.... No they use sharia law and they interpret it their way. Saying their interpretation is not the right one is a no true scotsman fallacy. i don’t feel disrespected personally but I’m sure a lot of people do. I am calling out the hypocrisy. If you are offended when someone criticizes your religion, it shows more than a belief or practice. It is blind faith. It is dogma. It is indoctrination. And that is dangerous EDIT: also who would muslims be offended for? It is not them personally that is being scrutinized. Not their existence that is in question. Are they offended on behalf of their god? I thought their god was all poweful and knowing and encompassing. He’d surely be immune to any scrutiny Nothing Happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, OMonster said: Rihanna / her team clearly didn't set out to offend. If it was intentional, the song was probably used to make a political and religious commentary regarding extremist views on women, fashion and LGBT culture. The song Rihanna used says to kill infidels and repeats it over and over again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMonster20 9,858 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said: But I did not say Islamic countries are not homophobic, I said they dont throw Gays off the roof like everyone here is saying. Im simply pointing out how many people have no idea what they are talking about. Some even used Quran verses that are clearly out of context. I am LGBTQ living in the Middle East, I know how hard and horrible it is. None of it is alright is what I’m saying. They might not throw them off the roof, but I’m sure a lot of disturbing other **** happens. And it needs to end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, LittleMonster20 said: None of it is alright is what I’m saying. They might not throw them off the roof, but I’m sure a lot of disturbing other **** happens. And it needs to end. Yeah I never claimed it was alright and that it should not end.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMonster 14,675 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said: The song Rihanna used says to kill infidels It's irony. The song plays as gay men dressed as women strut around in a sexualised way. They are the 'infidels' - surely? It's to say 'f**k you' to extremist ideals... no? It's not to attack moderate muslims or criticise the religion as a whole... it's to fight back against the some of the resistance within it. That's my interpretation anyway. It's a religious commentary that brings light to elements of islam that needs to be challenged. subtext / fantasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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