Elon Musk said that it was a huge mistake to impose sweeping lockdowns

[ctherainbow 3,162]

People seem to think that the entire US was in lockdown for like 6 months... only some local areas were.  I live in the 5th most populous state, and we were only under travel restrictions for like a month, two months max in the urban areas.  Unless we’re counting a mask mandate as a “lockdown”... we weren’t locked down that long, and people violated it left and right, decreasing the effectiveness of the time we did spend locked down.

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1 hour ago, Daylight Jokers said:

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You still refuse to answer me, what about my comment do u have a problem with?

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50 minutes ago, ctherainbow said:

People seem to think that the entire US was in lockdown for like 6 months... only some local areas were.  I live in the 5th most populous state, and we were only under travel restrictions for like a month, two months max in the urban areas.  Unless we’re counting a mask mandate as a “lockdown”... we weren’t locked down that long, and people violated it left and right, decreasing the effectiveness of the time we did spend locked down.

Well. He lives in California. Check what kind of restrictions they had for 7 months compared to your state.

[Vergil 2,296]

Can we start killing off the rich now or...?

[Chromatislaps 34,854]

20 hours ago, Florin said:

"Lockdowns have been proved to save lives".

Where? 

it's the opposite. The cost of lockdowns will be long term. From hunger to cancer to mental health, lockdowns have effects that people dont want to see for the moment.

The effectiveness of lockdowns doesnt exist. 90%of the world had them, but they "worked" only in places like New Zealand and Australia and they continue to "work" 6 months later by keeping their people locked up in their houses. 

In opposition, places like Japan, Taiwan, Sweden didnt need a lockdown to keep covid under control.

the last countries you mention all had an unique method of keeping Rona in check, that doesn't meant they didn't need a lockdown, it really came down to cultural practices

When the Taiwanese government first heard about a virus spreading in China, they avoided the spread of the virus by having its population wearing facemasks from the get go and blocking international and continental flights coming in from China. They also blocked flights from other countries shortly after, it's pretty drastic if you ask me, but yeah that's why they didnt need a lock down, they avoided the epidemic alltogether. They have a deep distrust of mainland China and the Chinese Communist Party (I would have the same to be honest, with what the CCP is doing right now: trying to invade Nepal, Bhutan, and a part of India, trying to ramp up the military for an invasion in Taiwan, Uighur muslim concentration camps, destruction of cultural heritage, blackmailing countries that don't praise China for their efforts: calling them racis )

As for Sweden, they had a significant number of people dying, but they had the same percentage of deaths relative to other countries spread over a longer amount of time. And a big difference with the Swedes, is that social distancing and staying at home with the entire family when you are sick is the norm in their culture, not the exception. It has always been part of Nordic culture.

Japan identified the factors of the spread of Rona quite quickly and was able to adjust to it accordingly in time:

They told the public to: avoid enclosed spaces with poor ventilation, crowded places with many people, close contact settings such as face-to-face conversations. Hygiene measures like washing hands often and wearing masks is also a cultural norm in Japan. When you are sick, it's good manners to wear a mask, so people can stay at a distance and it's a sign of showing respect ot their health. 

Europe and the US were just to late in their assessment of the virus's spread, hence they had to resort to more extreme measures. We aren't that strict with our hygiene practices, and that is why it spread much more rapidly. Also In most western companies, employers are used to having employees work even when they are sick (like a common cold or a light flu), while this is crucial element that needs serious attention when it comes to slowing down the spread of a disease like covid. Westeners in general are a bit laxer when it comes to hygiene compared to the developed countries in Asia, and that is unfortunately the reality of the situation.

The effectiveness of lockdowns exist in the sense that the spread of the virus was able to be halted/slowed down, so science had time to study the virus more and society had time to adjust to dealing with the virus accordingly. Long term lockdowns won't work, people won't be able to handle it, but we need to have ongoing measures in place in order to keep the spread in check and protect vulnerable people. If we don't have measures in place, those who don't really care about all of this, will be the cause of spreading the virus further. 

In the end it's also a matter of egoism vs altruism.

[Taylucifer 5,249]

so we won't be buying a Tesla

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*Googling "where to buy guillotine"*

[Franch Toast 27,737]

3 hours ago, BornAsUnic0rn said:

You do realize that life will always be the ultimate roulette? Covid is not the only illness threatening your life, but it isn’t by far the deadliest. And illness is not the only way to die.
 

So might as well lock yourself up for the rest of your life? 

 

We have no proof lockdowns actually have a big effect.
And we have no idea, how many people actually have already had it, the real number is far beyond the tested and confirmed cases. 

I guess you missed the part where I said I don’t know if lockdowns are the answer.  I actually think the answer is repeated mass testing, contract tracing, masks, and social distancing. 

And sure, there is risk everywhere, but most of us try to mitigate risks when we can. For example, I don’t smoke because I know it increases my chances of heart disease, stroke, and lung cancer. When I’m in a car, I wear a seatbelt, etc. In the midst of a pandemic     of an illness we still know so little about in terms of long-term effects, therefore, sure, i’m still living my life, but I’m taking appropriate precautions such as wearing masks and social distancing. If everyone does their part, we can be over this sooner rather than later. 

 

[Helxig 45,364]

How the hell is Grimes with him??? Isn't she a somewhat rational minded person?

[RahrahWitch 6,985]

How could I not see it this whole time?! all the health professionals are wrong and greedy billionaire is right! 

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5 hours ago, Daylight Jokers said:

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Thanks for listing the trash

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What a cold and cruel daddy little X Æ A-Xii has.

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,247]

3 hours ago, Franch Toast said:

I guess you missed the part where I said I don’t know if lockdowns are the answer.  I actually think the answer is repeated mass testing, contract tracing, masks, and social distancing. 

And sure, there is risk everywhere, but most of us try to mitigate risks when we can. For example, I don’t smoke because I know it increases my chances of heart disease, stroke, and lung cancer. When I’m in a car, I wear a seatbelt, etc. In the midst of a pandemic     of an illness we still know so little about in terms of long-term effects, therefore, sure, i’m still living my life, but I’m taking appropriate precautions such as wearing masks and social distancing. If everyone does their part, we can be over this sooner rather than later. 

 

Now with all of this I agree with.

 

But the lockdown would have been  preventable, if the western world would have reacted accordingly, and with that I mean especially stricter & faster. The mass hysteria also was extremely unhelpful, and there was not a lot done to prevent it.  Ultimately building mistrust and disbelief about the whole situation in a lot of people, and the effects of the lockdown will be felt for generations, sociologically, economically and even medically. 

 

[ALGAYDO 35,133]

So scientists and researchers are wrong, but little mr. Musky is the correct one? Makes sense. 

[GagaSine 7,464]

He is cartoon villian levels of evil and selfish