Dislikers of 911 MV ...

[FFXIV WhiteMage 5,877]

6 minutes ago, Oriane said:

Yes, when the budget is not that high and there are restrictions, you should work your way around it instead of trying to make it happen anyway. I think what makes me cringe the most is the moments when the characters fly and they just filmed them in front of a green screen and made the background move in the editing... Just remove the flying from the script, find something else that fits 

I can agree with your dislike for the vid, it's your preference.

And the flying part was supposed to reference to a film so it has to be done in such way . 

 

But it is highly stupid to claim that they just threw everything on the screen due to low budget constraint. It's a well thought MV with fully Gagasque integrated art and fused with the concept from a highly respected director.  Therefore it is highly disrespectful to their art.

 

If you cannot appreciate their art then fine - art is subjective, but don't go around telling that like it was made just for the sake of being made. 

 

[Ziggy 11,330]

9 minutes ago, FFXIV WhiteMage said:

Then it would not be "Gaga" anymore. This kind of silly, campy, unreasonable artistry is her signature visuals. One that many of her earlier fans are accustomed of. 

It is complex not because of the symbolisms (it's actually pretty obivous) but as how she integrated those with some cultural reference.

And FKA Twigs sad day was okay for me. Nothing too complex either. It's not high art per se though. 

I doubt anyone can do it to this degree  It;s obivous that this will be a series of MVs so the structures and concept are weaved in such way in goes hand in hand ... so yeah like a movie or so. 

And Gaga is known (at least on the earlier days of her career) to reference a lot of movies. So idk what u talking about.

 

It's Lady Gaga 

 

Well I mean she did some stripped down MVs and they're cute but this kind of art is what she;s known for. Aside from dance MVs.

People love to dismiss any and all critique of Gaga's work by saying it's campy. It's fine to say that some things she does are a little clunky. The video is fine imo. I liked it. I didn't *love* it. Gaga has made videos with interpretations of a song before (Alejandro, for example or Telephone as well). So it still could be Gaga and camp. I just found the implementation of the song to be so-so. That's fine. I'm not calling her a hag or flop so please don't dismiss my opinion. I've been a hardcore fan since Just Dance, so no need to talk down like I'm some uncultured idiot.

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51 minutes ago, pop ate my heart said:

fr? that's great to know omg  I was starting to get scared because my tl is so divided rn. I would like to see some tweets tho!

I’m talking about my straight friends and family tho but I see no hate on my TL !!

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29 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

What a condescending thing to say 

Did he lie tho?

[Oriane 20,510]

7 minutes ago, FFXIV WhiteMage said:

I doubt anyone can do it to this degree  It;s obivous that this will be a series of MVs so the structures and concept are weaved in such way in goes hand in hand ... so yeah like a movie or so. 

And Gaga is known (at least on the earlier days of her career) to reference a lot of movies. So idk what u talking about.

I mean, it's not like making references is particularly hard or takes a lot of skills. You pick a movie, book, art, whatever that you like, decide to make a reference to it by using similar fashion/framing/idea and... that's it. Sure, it's more interesting to pick something that actually fits the meaning of the video you want to make, or the idea you want to convey, but it's not like there aren't thousands of other pieces of art out there she could have also picked and that would have fit just as well.

I don't know what you're talking about either, I never said she never made references or that making references was inherently good or bad 

I'm just criticizing the technical aspect of the video.

[Ziggy 11,330]

43 minutes ago, tmo13 said:

do you have something in your eyes? LMAO 

it's her most visually impressive video since Bad Romance. 

Since BR? Don't you do Telephone and Alejandro dirty like that. Imo those three are all equal in terms of visual power. Everything after had pros and cons of different degrees but those TFM videos are all visually spectacular and I won't hear you besmirch them 

[Lextyr97 19,568]

The video was perfect. I wouldn’t change anything

[Chromatography 10,174]

do people actually dislike it?

[FFXIV WhiteMage 5,877]

1 minute ago, Ziggy said:

(1) People love to dismiss any and all critique of Gaga's work by saying it's campy. It's fine to say that some things she does are a little clunky. The video is fine imo. I liked it. I didn't *love* it. (2) Gaga has made videos with interpretations of a song before (Alejandro, for example or Telephone as well). So it still could be Gaga and camp. (3) I just found the implementation of the song to be so-so. (4)That's fine. I'm not calling her a hag or flop so please don't dismiss my opinion. I've been a hardcore fan since Just Dance, so no need to talk down like I'm some uncultured idiot.

(1) Because it was her signature visual. Like what is there to say? If you don't like it, then you don't like it. And it's fine, I mean it's your personal preference. 

(2) Yes, she has made those kind of videos BEFORE. This video was purposely structured in such way for maybe a continuation for another MV.

(3) It's fine. There will be tons of people WHO WILL NOT like it just like with her previous eras. Art is subjective afterall.

(4) I;m not dismissing your opinion, like if you thought it was so-so, then for you it will be so-so. But some of your statement are objectively vague so I just made my point to share my point as well.

[Oriane 20,510]

6 minutes ago, FFXIV WhiteMage said:

I can agree with your dislike for the vid, it's your preference.

And the flying part was supposed to reference to a film so it has to be done in such way . 

 

But it is highly stupid to claim that they just threw everything on the screen due to low budget constraint. It's a well thought MV with fully Gagasque integrated art and fused with the concept from a highly respected director.  Therefore it is highly disrespectful to their art.

 

If you cannot appreciate their art then fine - art is subjective, but don't go around telling that like it was made just for the sake of being made. 

 

I didn't say the video was made just for the sake of being made, it's good that they did it but when you can't do a particular technical thing due to lack of budget/material/anything, you should just give up on the idea and try something else. As a filmmaker myself, I have burnt my wings way too many times in instances like that, and learnt my lesson.

I didn't know about the flying part though! I will check that. Although I'm not a fan of movies referencing old movies by using the exact same old and bad technique instead of adding it a modern, better executed twist, but that's just a preference. That's not the only thing I don't like about the video technically though, there are a lot of things in the cinematography, choice of shots and editing that I find questionable.

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1 hour ago, GagaEnigma said:

At least no one can say that it's generic or the same as some other pop star's mv 

That attention to detail is out of this world 

But it looks like Juno Reactor God Is God

Just not as good

[Ziggy 11,330]

10 minutes ago, FFXIV WhiteMage said:

(1) Because it was her signature visual. Like what is there to say? If you don't like it, then you don't like it. And it's fine, I mean it's your personal preference. 

(2) Yes, she has made those kind of videos BEFORE. This video was purposely structured in such way for maybe a continuation for another MV.

(3) It's fine. There will be tons of people WHO WILL NOT like it just like with her previous eras. Art is subjective afterall.

(4) I;m not dismissing your opinion, like if you thought it was so-so, then for you it will be so-so. But some of your statement are objectively vague so I just made my point to share my point as well.

1) But what I'm saying is that every time someone says something feels clunky or awkward, stans run in with "iT'S cAmP!!" as though that somehow always absolves it. You can still critique camp is what I'm saying. The number of campy B horror films out there...oof lol A particular style doesn't absolve it of critique is what I'm saying. She can be camp, but you can still go "mmm I think this could have been communicated more efficiently."

2) I don't see how the continuation matters to this point. Could you explain? I'm just saying that in response to you saying it wouldn't be Gaga if she incorporated her music in a less straightforward manner, that she has done just that several times. So it is with precedent and is very much Gaga, especially in the short films she makes.

4) I'm sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying, it sounded to me like you were parroting the "if you don't like it then you don't get it and you're stupid, ignorant, etc." which I find incredibly condescending.

 

Like I said, I like it. It's miles better than videos of hers over the past few years. The acting is great, the aesthetics, while I don't really link them to 911 in my head, are executed well and not cringe (which is hard to do when portraying non-white cultures). I just think she's done the artsy angle in the past a bit more effectively.

[FFXIV WhiteMage 5,877]

6 minutes ago, Oriane said:

(1)I mean, it's not like making references is particularly hard or takes a lot of skills. You pick a movie, book, art, whatever that you like, decide to make a reference to it by using similar fashion/framing/idea and... that's it. Sure, it's more interesting to pick something that actually fits the meaning of the video you want to make, or the idea you want to convey, but it's not like there aren't thousands of other pieces of art out there she could have also picked and that would have fit just as well.

(2) I don't know what you're talking about either, I never said she never made references or that making references was inherently good or bad 

(3) I'm just criticizing the technical aspect of the video.

(1) What? Who said that it requires superior intellect to reference something? I mean most artists do it. 

But do they integrate their reference and art hand in hand? I mean obviously, Gaga's visuals plus the reference plus the song's meaning (911 referring to pills and "emergency" situations ) plus with her current album concept. It goes beyond than just simple watching a movie and shooting the MV the following day. 

(2) Idk what are you talking about? I just said that Gaga uses this kind of stuff a lot before.

(3)  Well, i don't have anything in my defense  

[DC 25,164]

I think it’s because most of us expected something and it never happened. 

HOWEVER, this video BLEW my mind the moment I realized how connected it was to the accident! Like I was confused at first and even laughed at the guy hitting his head against the pillow, and even while watching it for the first time I knew everything meant something, and that’s exactly what it turned out to be.

It’s all art and it’s the Gaga we grew up with wrapped in a Chromatica wrapper 

[FFXIV WhiteMage 5,877]

6 minutes ago, Oriane said:

I didn't say the video was made just for the sake of being made, it's good that they did it but when you can't do a particular technical thing due to lack of budget/material/anything, you should just give up on the idea and try something else. As a filmmaker myself, I have burnt my wings way too many times in instances like that, and learnt my lesson.

I didn't know about the flying part though! I will check that. Although I'm not a fan of movies referencing old movies by using the exact same old and bad technique instead of adding it a modern, better executed twist, but that's just a preference. That's not the only thing I don't like about the video technically though, there are a lot of things in the cinematography, choice of shots and editing that I find questionable.

Well fair enough. It just sounded off the first time you mentioned it. 

 

Although it was not perfect but it's a masterpiece for an MPG to do. Imo of course.