Would there be Gaga today if there are no albums like Joanne and C2C?

[Gagafy 296]

In my POV, C2C and Joanne is an evolution needed for ASIB to happen. Nobody would take Gaga seriously if she produces ASIB in the middle of ARTPOP.

Plus, looking at how the demise of Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, basically the pop girls, pop music wouldn't survive post 2015. If Gaga were to release continuous Pop albums that some of the fans loved, also ones that hated Joanne and C2C ( these are fake fans i would say), you wouldn't get Gaga as relevant to the music industry as she is right now.

[MingersPrayer 578]

Yes I think that was part of the strategy. Including the Sound of Music performance & some other appearances including the Kennedy Honors etc ... public events that recategorised her.  

[HausOfAntonio 7,995]

Yeah, these albums rehabilitated her image and established her as a legacy act. They cemented her unsurpassed talent to the general public, EVERYONE knows how talented she is now because of how these albums allowed her to be perceived. 

[Gagafy 296]

2 minutes ago, MingersPrayer said:

Yes I think that was part of the strategy. Including the Sound of Music performance & some other appearances including the Kennedy Honors etc ... public events that recategorised her.  

Glad that you're on the same page. The forum here was so toxic during Joanne and C2C era.

[MingersPrayer 578]

Just now, Gagafy said:

Glad that you're on the same page. The forum here was so toxic during Joanne and C2C era.

Yes I’ve seen some of that too. I don’t get it 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

[Gagafy 296]

2 minutes ago, MingersPrayer said:

Yes I’ve seen some of that too. I don’t get it 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

I loved Joanne, and it was part of my continuous streaming Spotify playlist today. C2C was my top played album during 2015-2016, I love jazz naturally and what Gaga did was really great. And both Joanne and C2C are Grammy winning album.

[MelbHawker 6,583]

I wouldn’t say these albums were pure strategy.. those who know her best knew that stripped back/vocal albums were inevitable given her talent & love for all genres.

Given the Born This Way/ ARTPOP mess though, she did need to turn her image around.. the albums came at the right time & well.. look at her now. Chromatica is everything ARTPOP wanted to be.

[Gagafy 296]

1 minute ago, MelbHawker said:

I wouldn’t say these albums were pure strategy.. those who know her best knew that stripped back/vocal albums were inevitable given her talent & love for all genres.

Given the Born This Way/ ARTPOP mess though, she did need to turn her image around.. the albums came at the right time & well.. look at her now. Chromatica is everything ARTPOP wanted to be.

ARTPOP yes, BTW was far from a mess girl. BTW was a cultural phenomenal where she gained a huge solid fan base and loses some GP. It was also BTW that she could still stand today.

[DiskoBaby 1,929]

ARTPOP had to happen so we can get A Star Is Born and Chromatica

[OMonster 14,639]

Gaga almost certainly would not have reached the heights of ASIB without Joanne, and Chromatica, as a pop album, would not have been so well-received without either. It's interesting, really, that Gaga stopped releasing 'pop music' just as it started to lose its popularity (in 2013) - which, in retrospect, saved her from being associated to a 'dated' genre or sound. Fast forward to 2020, where pop music (to some extent) just so happens to be on the rise again, and Gaga is back at the centre of that resurgence, unscathed by 'uncool' associations from the previous dip. 

I don't know (and doubt) if this was all deliberate, but it's certainly panned out well for her in comparison to, say, Katy Perry, for example, who - unfortunately - kept making pop music when it was no longer 'cool', and as a result, is unable to benefit when the tide turns her way again. Even Taylor knew to 'tone down' the bubblegum appeal of pop music in 2017, with Reputation, and has since recalibrated her career with 'Lover' and 'Folklore', having never tried to 'recreate' the highs of 1989... unlike Katy, who, since Teenage Dream, has been chasing that success ever since. 

[DiskoBaby 1,929]

1 minute ago, Gagafy said:

ARTPOP yes, BTW was far from a mess girl.

Born This away was kind of a mess in that it didn’t end up the way it was planned

[MelbHawker 6,583]

Just now, Gagafy said:

ARTPOP yes, BTM was far from a mess girl.

I meant BTW in light of the Madonna/Express Yourself debacle, Judas controversy & then the overexposure that she suffered from toward the end of BTW. Honestly, MTN should’ve smashed given the promo / MV / success she was riding at that time & it didn’t.