Miel 15,009 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Sneaky said: I just don't get the point of the question. Why would a pop fanbase be inherently racist? It doesn't make sense I think this is a good question that should be discussed, definitely. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Miel said: I think this is a good question that should be discussed, definitely. I think media, including music, is more disposable in its consumption these days - thanks to streaming and the general culture of the entertainment industries - and it allows for less of a commitment in consuming and therefore less thoughtfulness in what the artist is all about. I think consumers are able to comfortably separate the artist from the art, creating a sort of cognitive dissonance between their own biases and the message/values the artist themselves is all about. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petty 9,412 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Smith 10,026 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 The what? So stupid. We aren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastertoyo 22,728 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 although some of y’all think Karen is a slur please enlighten me to death Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, PETTY said: Pls elaborate Miss Petty. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, HeavyMetalLover said: I think media, including music, is more disposable in its consumption these days - thanks to streaming and the general culture of the entertainment industries - and it allows for less of a commitment in consuming and therefore less thoughtfulness in what the artist is all about. I think consumers are able to comfortably separate the artist from the art, creating a sort of cognitive dissonance between their own biases and the message/values the artist themselves is all about. I am a firm disbeliever in "separating the art from the artist", and, to an extent, the whole concept of "La mort de l'auteu". Of course you can craft and interpret a piece of art in your own way, but I don't believe that the conception of art is exclusive from what created it in its origins. Within the context of racism in music consumption, I think it's a multi-factor conglomeration of uncritical musical consumption, pre-existing systemic beliefs of prejudice and discrimination, and the overall effect of individualism on musical interpretation. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Hm. I think racism in fandoms, especially with Gaga, is a discussion that deserves to be a little more nuanced and critical. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Miel said: I am a firm disbeliever in "separating the art from the artist", and, to an extent, the whole concept of "La mort de l'auteu". Of course you can craft and interpret a piece of art in your own way, but I don't believe that the conception of art is exclusive from what created it in its origins. Within the context of racism in music consumption, I think it's a multi-factor conglomeration of uncritical musical consumption, pre-existing systemic beliefs of prejudice and discrimination, and the overall effect of individualism on musical interpretation. I completely agree with you. Wow, well stated in your second paragraph. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaeDrive 3,412 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 What kind of useless generalization inducing question is that "Fame Is A Boomerang" - Maria Callas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 ABSOLUTELY LMAOOO everyone knows this obv not all of us (im not, for instance) but too many of y’all are. that’s a major part of why this fanbase hates beyoncé, a woman gaga idolises Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, CannaeDrive said: What kind of useless generalization inducing question is that It was definitely worded the worst... i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I think we as a community can do MUCH better when it comes to not just being not racist, but being anti-racist instead. No clue what all little monsters are like, but the members of this website at the very least are not largely anti-racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyMetalLover 16 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, MJHolland said: I think we as a community can do MUCH better when it comes to not just being not racist, but being anti-racist instead. No clue what all little monsters are like, but the members of this website at the very least are not largely anti-racist. Excellent point. It's not cutting it to be contrarian/neutral for the mere sake of doing so. That's actually a form of oppression. i don't remember ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonanon 932 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, Miel said: I think the better question is why Gaga, an individual who has crafted very straightforward musical projects, charity projects, activism projects etc. around racial, gender, and economic, has attracted a vocal minority of racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. It's a lot to dissect, and many factors are very complicated and, of course, systemic. This stuck out to me as well when I first joined the site and I have so many thoughts about it. Like you said, it's probably very layered. Edited just now by anonanon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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