Megan Thee Stallion shares new WAP artwork

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5 minutes ago, SeIena Gomez said:

As it should! 
 

Prude.

Girl you really in for that ride 

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2 hours ago, Indyl said:

as if men haven't always been sexual beings?

it's the patriarchal/Christian worldview that's relegated women to being non-sexual beings. Men can be as sexual as they want, but you're basically saying that when women are sexual, they're objectifying themselves FOR the man – not because women themselves want sex. When a man wants sex, it's for his own pleasure, but we have a hard time imagining the same thing for women. 

And we do see PLENTY of "asexual" woman in music. In fact, that's what they've always been forced to be precisely because of what people in this thread are complaining about. When a woman "crosses a line" sexually, they become trashy, slutty, and lack self-respect.

Yet nobody is EVER saying male rappers are too sexual, or that their music objectifies themselves and degrades their self worth. It's the same line of thinking that leads people to say, "Why does Taylor Swift only write about her exes? Doesn't she have something better to write about?" but never say the same thing about Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, etc. who do essentially the same thing.

Sex is completely independent of the things you're mentioning like motherhood, homemaking, etc. They're not mutually exclusive.

which is why WAP is great – it's two woman who take control of the sex, assuming the dominant role without apology.

The difference is that men are usually in the dominant role when singing about sex. They keep their clothes on but are surrounded by half-naked women. They wouldn't degrade themselves by getting to that level of undress with them. By keeping his clothes on, he acts like the superior over them. Women, however, even when there is no man in their video, are still performing for the male gaze and even if they do take the dominant role, they will do it while visually degrading themselves in a way that men won't. Yes, they can enjoy the sexual expression in and of itself, but they're still performing for a crowd. A woman's sexuality doesn't seem to be worth much if its private, she has to put it all out there. And if she does want to keep it private, she's a prude. As you can see by some of the reactions in this thread, there's only one acceptable way to react to sex - embrace it fully. Any deviation isn't met with a welcome response.

People don't say that men go too far with their sexual music because men don't degrade themselves to the level women do, it's that simple. Now, don't get me wrong, I actually love the song, I just think the video went too far with the nipple pasties, the splits and the brothel dynamic. I'd like to see women own their sexuality the same way men do - singing about it while keeping their clothes on. We need to stop sending the toxic message to women that they can only be sexual if they remove their clothes. I operate under the idea: "If a man won't do it, I won't either." If a man wouldn't strip off to sell his music, I'm not lowering myself to that level either and if a man can be considered hot and sexy while fully-clothed, why can't I?

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13 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The difference is that men are usually in the dominant role when singing about sex. They keep their clothes on but are surrounded by half-naked women. They wouldn't degrade themselves by getting to that level of undress with them. By keeping his clothes on, he acts like the superior over them. Women, however, even when there is no man in their video, are still performing for the male gaze and even if they do take the dominant role, they will do it while visually degrading themselves in a way that men won't. Yes, they can enjoy the sexual expression in and of itself, but they're still performing for a crowd. A woman's sexuality doesn't seem to be worth much if its private, she has to put it all out there. And if she does want to keep it private, she's a prude. As you can see by some of the reactions in this thread, there's only one acceptable way to react to sex - embrace it fully. Any deviation isn't met with a welcome response.

People don't say that men go too far with their sexual music because men don't degrade themselves to the level women do, it's that simple. Now, don't get me wrong, I actually love the song, I just think the video went too far with the nipple pasties, the splits and the brothel dynamic. I'd like to see women own their sexuality the same way men do - singing about it while keeping their clothes on. We need to stop sending the toxic message to women that they can only be sexual if they remove their clothes. I operate under the idea: "If a man won't do it, I won't either." If a man wouldn't strip off to sell his music, I'm not lowering myself to that level either and if a man can be considered hot and sexy while fully-clothed, why can't I?

What exactly is wrong with having your clothes off? Why is that "degrading"? Sex work is not shameful lmao

 

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38 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The difference is that men are usually in the dominant role when singing about sex. They keep their clothes on but are surrounded by half-naked women. They wouldn't degrade themselves by getting to that level of undress with them. By keeping his clothes on, he acts like the superior over them. Women, however, even when there is no man in their video, are still performing for the male gaze and even if they do take the dominant role, they will do it while visually degrading themselves in a way that men won't. Yes, they can enjoy the sexual expression in and of itself, but they're still performing for a crowd. A woman's sexuality doesn't seem to be worth much if its private, she has to put it all out there. And if she does want to keep it private, she's a prude. As you can see by some of the reactions in this thread, there's only one acceptable way to react to sex - embrace it fully. Any deviation isn't met with a welcome response.

People don't say that men go too far with their sexual music because men don't degrade themselves to the level women do, it's that simple. Now, don't get me wrong, I actually love the song, I just think the video went too far with the nipple pasties, the splits and the brothel dynamic. I'd like to see women own their sexuality the same way men do - singing about it while keeping their clothes on. We need to stop sending the toxic message to women that they can only be sexual if they remove their clothes. I operate under the idea: "If a man won't do it, I won't either." If a man wouldn't strip off to sell his music, I'm not lowering myself to that level either and if a man can be considered hot and sexy while fully-clothed, why can't I?

Your misogyny and sexism are so blatant. Good grief.

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1 hour ago, Indyl said:

What exactly is wrong with having your clothes off? Why is that "degrading"? Sex work is not shameful lmao

 

Men taking their tops off isn't the equivalent of women taking their tops off. Men's chests are not sexualised in the same way and he can still be dominant while bare chested. All these men that you showed are in states of dominance. The only slight difference is the second to last one (is that YungBlud?) but that's still a more punk rock take on male nudity, which isn't submissive in the way that a fully naked woman can be. Nudity for men and women is always viewed differently, you're comparing apples and oranges.

1 hour ago, Dukttapetoo said:

Your misogyny and sexism are so blatant. Good grief.

How can I be misogynist and sexist? I'm a feminist woman. When a woman complains about how her gender is sexualised and objectified she is made out to be a prude at best, sexist at worst. If that doesn't prove that there is an overarching patriarchal hold over society, I don't know what is. When women complain, we're nearly always called crazy or over-sensitive. Just for once, it would nice to merely have an opinion and have it be listened to fairly. You seem to have missed the part where I said I liked the song. You don't have to like every part of how an idea is expressed to still support it in general. My complaint is for the video, not the song.

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5 hours ago, KanyeWest said:

Sex sells 101 of music industry but they took it to another level in my opinion. It's borderline vulgar and ****-ish to me

the level of misogyny in this lol

it’s their bodies, their sexuality, they can do whatever they want. just because you wouldn’t do something with your body, doesn’t mean they can’t. in fact, they’ll thrive and look great doing it. stop treating sexuality as something negative, shameful, or personal to everyone because it isn’t.

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4 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

This video was never released it doesnt count

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18 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Men taking their tops off isn't the equivalent of women taking their tops off. Men's chests are not sexualised in the same way and he can still be dominant while bare chested. All these men that you showed are in states of dominance. The only slight difference is the second to last one (is that YungBlud?) but that's still a more punk rock take on male nudity, which isn't submissive in the way that a fully naked woman can be. Nudity for men and women is always viewed differently, you're comparing apples and oranges.

How can I be misogynist and sexist? I'm a feminist woman. When a woman complains about how her gender is sexualised and objectified she is made out to be a prude at best, sexist at worst. If that doesn't prove that there is an overarching patriarchal hold over society, I don't know what is. When women complain, we're nearly always called crazy or over-sensitive. Just for once, it would nice to merely have an opinion and have it be listened to fairly. You seem to have missed the part where I said I liked the song. You don't have to like every part of how an idea is expressed to still support it in general. My complaint is for the video, not the song.

1.this is a forum, your name isn’t on here, and your picture isn’t on here. nobody knows who you are or your gender, so if someone calls out your misogyny, it has nothing to do with you being a woman. it’s just a comment on your mindset.

2.you have to remember that everyone’s experience is different, and everyone’s choice of expression is different. cardi and megan have never claimed to be ambassadors for the entire female gender, nor should they be taken as such. they’re choosing to use their bodies and express their sexuality in a certain way, and that’s nobody else’s business. you don’t have to enjoy it, but it’s not your place to gatekeep when and how it’s ok for others to do so.

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Megan > Cardi

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13 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

1.this is a forum, your name isn’t on here, and your picture isn’t on here. nobody knows who you are or your gender, so if someone calls out your misogyny, it has nothing to do with you being a woman. it’s just a comment on your mindset.

2.you have to remember that everyone’s experience is different, and everyone’s choice of expression is different. cardi and megan have never claimed to be ambassadors for the entire female gender, nor should they be taken as such. they’re choosing to use their bodies and express their sexuality in a certain way, and that’s nobody else’s business. you don’t have to enjoy it, but it’s not your place to gatekeep when and how it’s ok for others to do so.

Well, when it turns out I am a feminist woman, it puts a whole new spin on it. Like, maybe I am complaining about a situation that men can't relate to so they should maybe listen instead of making baseless accusations? Seeing as there's so much discussion around here about how white people should just shut up and listen when a black person voices concern about racial issues that concern them, I thought men on here would be prepared to listen to a woman bringing up a woman's perspective on how her gender is objectified in a way that they don't experience. Guess I was wrong.

You also have to remember that there are many different forms of sexual expression but society seems to tell us that there is only one - which is overt and explicit. That kind of expression, for many reasons, is best kept private. Played out in public, it can be very detrimental to the person whose body it is. I say this out of concern for women. There's a reason many women in the sex industry leave and later say they were lying about how much they were enjoying what they were doing. You have to ask yourself why women doing this is framed as empowerment. It's almost like...men came up with this concept and sold it to us packaged as feminism so we'd take the bait?

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A woman in music has the right to use her sexuality as empowerment. 

She has a choice to show her body or not, and in either way, it's none of your business.

Stop shaming women for making the decision to show her body, you can't change her mind anyways.

JUST. RESPECT. IT.

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18 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Well, when it turns out I am a feminist woman, it puts a whole new spin on it. Like, maybe I am complaining about a situation that men can't relate to so they should maybe listen instead of making baseless accusations? Seeing as there's so much discussion around here about how white people should just shut up and listen when a black person voices concern about racial issues that concern them, I thought men on here would be prepared to listen to a woman bringing up a woman's perspective on how her gender is objectified in a way that they don't experience. Guess I was wrong.

You also have to remember that there are many different forms of sexual expression but society seems to tell us that there is only one - which is overt and explicit. That kind of expression, for many reasons, is best kept private. Played out in public, it can be very detrimental to the person whose body it is. I say this out of concern for women. There's a reason many women in the sex industry leave and later say they were lying about how much they were enjoying what they were doing. You have to ask yourself why women doing this is framed as empowerment. It's almost like...men came up with this concept and sold it to us packaged as feminism so we'd take the bait?

the thing is, everyone you’re conversing with is hearing you out, but not necessarily agreeing. and that’s okay.

the entire point of feminism, as i see it, is giving women choice and freedom. you saying that explicit expression is ‘best kept private’ is counterproductive-it’s you telling other women how to express themselves.

now, of course, it’s wrong if everyone is expected to be like cardi or megan. they shouldn’t be the standard-there shouldn’t be a standard for how one should behave. but supporting them for doing what makes them happy in a world where that isn’t always accepted? that’s a positive thing.

furthermore, cardi has never proclaimed WAP as an empowering song/video. in her interview with zach sang, he brought up the empowering feeling it gave him, and she said it was more just about her fantasies and sexuality than empowering anyone.

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All these single covers by female rappers look the same...

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1 hour ago, FentyGa said:

the thing is, everyone you’re conversing with is hearing you out, but not necessarily agreeing. and that’s okay.

the entire point of feminism, as i see it, is giving women choice and freedom. you saying that explicit expression is ‘best kept private’ is counterproductive-it’s you telling other women how to express themselves.

now, of course, it’s wrong if everyone is expected to be like cardi or megan. they shouldn’t be the standard-there shouldn’t be a standard for how one should behave. but supporting them for doing what makes them happy in a world where that isn’t always accepted? that’s a positive thing.

furthermore, cardi has never proclaimed WAP as an empowering song/video. in her interview with zach sang, he brought up the empowering feeling it gave him, and she said it was more just about her fantasies and sexuality than empowering anyone.

They're not hearing me out, they're calling me sexist and giving me lmao reactions. You can disagree respectfully, like you're at least doing but not everyone's doing that.

I never said that they couldn't sing the song. I'm just disagreeing about the visuals. If a song's that dirty, you don't need to hammer the message home with raunchy visuals too. It's like the idea of if you're going to put flesh on display, choose top or bottom, never both, as then it just looks trashy (unless it's a bikini or something). And when you look trashy, people will judge you. Doesn't matter if that's wrong, it's still a detrimental result. Music is an audio medium - the focus should be on the music, not the visuals. I don't need the video to feel the dirtiness in that song. If more people used their imaginations for sexual songs, a whole lot less women would be objectified.

Problem is, the way they're acting is the standard for women to behave. Not everyone approves, naturally, but acting sexually will earn you praise from many channels. WAP, both the song and video, got critical acclaim, even though critics are normally portrayed as prudish. The overwhelming reaction was: "It's a joy to see two women so unapologetic with their sexuality." What they're doing isn't new or groundbreaking, it's the way women have been expected to act in the music industry for decades to make their music sell. And men are not expected to act in this way. If they want to, they can, but there's no expectation there. As a woman, you know that acting sexually is always a lucrative career move and something you contemplate doing. Doing something because you'll get paid isn't the same as doing something because it empowers you.

Cardi did say recently that her songs are to make her listeners feel like a bad bitch. Which I wouldn't deny WAP does. But I'm just debating the video. A video like that certainly doesn't impress a lot of women. But whether she claims it's empowering or not, that is the way the media will package it and the public will critique it, as it's so embedded into our culture that "women taking clothes off and acting sexual = empowerment." Ask yourself this - if that's empowerment, then does keeping your clothes on mean that you're insecure and disempowered? And if that's the case, does that mean there's only one acceptable form of sexual expression?

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Certain lana stans complaining about WAP video when lana literally flashed the whole of Los Angeles her vagina