Yale accused of discrimination

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To be honest, I've always thought it was odd that they even ask you for your race or gender on most things.

Wouldn't that help in these types of situations?

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The white fragility in this thread 

us white people have everything we could possibly want.  It’s called WHITE PRIVILEGE.  The ONE slight moment where we are discriminated against and we treat it like it’s the worst thing ever.  Give me a break.  None of us whites will EVER know what it’s like to face REAL discrimination as we are not POC.  We have no idea what it’s like to be a POC and have to deal with RACISM almost everyday of your LIFE. 

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11 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

The white fragility in this thread 

us white people have everything we could possibly want.  It’s called WHITE PRIVILEGE.  The ONE slight moment where we are discriminated against and we treat it like it’s the worst thing ever.  Give me a break.  None of us whites will EVER know what it’s like to face REAL discrimination as we are not POC.  We have no idea what it’s like to be a POC and have to deal with RACISM almost everyday of your LIFE. 

i do agree with this entirely

but what about white LGBT+ people? although black LGBT+ people get it far worse, i’m just curious to see if anyone’s aware that white people can in fact face discrimination if they’re LGBT+. 

as far as straight white people they definitely don’t need to be complaining about discrimination  

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2 hours ago, Doot said:

To be honest, I've always thought it was odd that they even ask you for your race or gender on most things.

Wouldn't that help in these types of situations?

I think it's just for statistical purposes. Like "___% of ___ Americans have a college education" or "___% of our student body is made up of ___"

There's also certain scholarships that people are eligible for when they're a racial minority so I guess they want people to continue to identify their race for that too.

Regardless, none of it would be an issue if there wasn't powerful people who reject/oppress people because of their race

Edit: Oop  just read the OP  affirmative action is probably what they're referring to and it's not discriminatory against white people.

If they're really mad about it then they should work towards solving the inequality issues that lead to rules like affirmative action being necessary

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Just now, PartySick said:

I think it's just for statistical purposes. Like "___% of ___ Americans have a college education" or "___% of our student body is made up of ___"

There's also certain scholarships that people are eligible for when they're a racial minority so I guess they want people to continue to identify their race for that too.

Regardless, none of it would be an issue if there wasn't powerful people who reject/oppress people because of their race

That makes sense. Thanks for the response.

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I feel like this is a pessimistic way of viewing this. They’re discriminating against white and asian people yes, but it’s for the greater good of making all races equally as qualified so they all have the same sound opportunities. It’s not like they’re even trying to make it a majority of hispanic and BIPOC, it’s just to balance it out. I do feel for those who worked hard and get turned away only bc of their race... 

Idk where to firmly stand on this. Maybe let’s start by questioning this Yale system itself. It’s knowledge. It’s not a scarce resource... 

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31 minutes ago, Xoxo Adriana said:

i do agree with this entirely

but what about white LGBT+ people? although black LGBT+ people get it far worse, i’m just curious to see if anyone’s aware that white people can in fact face discrimination if they’re LGBT+. 

as far as straight white people they definitely don’t need to be complaining about discrimination  

while this is true- most college applications do not ask your sexual orientation.

being LGBT+ is easier to hide than being a POC.  I could walk into a room and I do not have LGBTQ+ written on my forehead.  POC, on the other hand...do not get the privilege to chose when they want to be a POC and who they share that info with.  When I was in the closet, and people would ask me if I was gay, I was able to say "no".  POC can never say "no, im not a POC" really..

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15 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

being LGBT+ is easier to hide than being a POC.  I could walk into a room and I do not have LGBTQ+ written on my forehead.

But you have your Chromatica jockstrap underneath... we see you 

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Speaking from the Asian perspective, it's actually quite unfair. Asians actually get penalised for their race in some universities while other races are given credit bonuses just because of their race. It should be based on the merit of one's scores.

A lot of Asians going to university are part of migrant families who started in the country with absolutely nothing. It's pretty telling that even with the bamboo ceiling and unfair penalties just for being Asian, we still have the highest average income and graduation rates per capita in the USA 

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2 hours ago, Runway said:

You can’t discriminate whites. Next

 

2 hours ago, Pennywise said:

Lmao. White people wanna be discriminated against soooo bad. 

This and this. Thanks. 

For context, it's important to consider who is running the Justice Department currently. Here's a tiny slice:

 

William Barr

Here's a little bit about this tur- er, person in case you aren't familiar:

"Barr’s rationale for stricter death penalty laws was that they would reduce crime, including drug trafficking, as he explained in a 1991 op-ed in The New York Times:

'We need a death penalty to deter and punish the most heinous Federal crimes such as terrorist killings. That penalty would send a message to drug dealers and gangs.'"

https://qz.com/1488389/trump-ag-nominee-william-barr-said-the-death-penalty-deters-drug-dealers/

“I don’t think that the law enforcement system is systemically racist,” Mr. Barr said in an interview with the CBS program “Face the Nation.” “I think we have to recognize that for most of our history, our institutions were explicitly racist.”

(Spoiler alert: they still are.)

https://www.nytimes.com./2020/06/07/us/politics/justice-department-barr-racism-police.html

 

This is definitely racially motivated, in a way to stir up fake controversy over "discrimination" of white students. At the same time, he's denying the reality of a deeply racist and deadly institution that is the Police. This is gaslighting on the federal level. Disgusting.

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24 minutes ago, Gracious Gaga said:

while this is true- most college applications do not ask your sexual orientation.

being LGBT+ is easier to hide than being a POC.  I could walk into a room and I do not have LGBTQ+ written on my forehead.  POC, on the other hand...do not get the privilege to chose when they want to be a POC and who they share that info with.  When I was in the closet, and people would ask me if I was gay, I was able to say "no".  POC can never say "no, im not a POC" really..

this covers gay white people but what about trans white people? or how about just trans people in general? i do see what you’re saying but there’s still some gaps in what you’re saying. trans people especially are more likely to get bullied/targeted/assaulted or even murdered at worst, especially ones early into their transition or ones that don’t “pass”. not all trans murders are reported on the news and this is the part that concerns me.

black/poc communities regardless do get it extremely rough but we are also forgetting about the other minorities that face it pretty bad too. i personally don’t think we are ready for a “lgbt/trans lives matter” revolution yet, but for now we can only uplift other minorities till we can eventually get this far in progress.

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Thank you to the last few users and posts for bringing some actual reason, honesty, and decency to the discussion on this.

This lawsuit is absolutely ridiculous. Also, what is actually discriminatory is the "whites only" policy unversities and colleges all around the country practiced for decades, keeping entire groups of people out of an entire segment and echelon of society and preventing all POC from receiving the benefits that come from a college education (knowledge, salary, social capital, etc.).

Affirmative action remedies this history by giving historically excluded groups a set proportionate number of admissions, for reparations and because it is the right thing to do to make it right considering the history.

The decades in which POC were kept out helped to create and exacerbate the wealth disparities we see between the races in America. This is a practical method of helping to equalize that. 

White people have always gotten everything handed to them, we don't get to complain and scream DISCRIMINATION simply because other races are finally seeing some of the things white people always had. 

 

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If anything, Yale needs to cut down on the legacy admissions and expand diversity to include people with disabilities and older, non-traditional students. Yale is very non-accessible to people with physical disabilities. 

There are plenty of wealthy, able-bodied white people there, and I also can assure you that it is not overrun with black and brown people. This lawsuit is bogus. 

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57 minutes ago, Xoxo Adriana said:

i personally don’t think we are ready for a “lgbt/trans lives matter” revolution yet, but for now we can only uplift other minorities till we can eventually get this far in progress.

The awareness of the intersections of being black and trans/lgbtq are out there, though, in the BLM movement in particular. At least in my specific region of the world - there is pretty strong acknowledgement and respect for the lives and contributions of black trans people, especially women. So we are on our way I think.

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4 hours ago, Bonkers said:

It's not racism because it's addressing a problem: disproportionately small number of students were POC, which will means that the cycle will continue.  Because children of Yale educated students are more likely to become students.  It's necessary to speed up the rate of black graduates from all schools because that's expands the number of Black Americans in high positions in the work force and can bring opportunity and diversity for those who follow behind them.

Additionally, you factor in the very real theft of opportunity from black Americans for generations.

...it takes a lot more room to explain it, but it's not racism, even though things about it seem unfair on the surface.

What would be addressing a problem is to fix the systemic racism meaning that African Americans disproportionately find themselves, due to issues like redlining, in areas with worse education facilities and poorer peripheral services.

What would not be addressing a problem is to accept people into institutions based on their ethnic background or the colour of their skin. That fixes statistics. It doesn't fix the root causes. (I hear what you say about children of Yale educated students being likelier to go to Yale, but that would take just as long to have genuine effects as it would if policymakers spent the next five years truly fixing the education system at its core.)

Hopefully, whether you agree or disagree, you (unlike many who argue like this  ) can see that I do genuinely believe that systemic racism does exist and that I do want these issues resolved, regardless of our differing opinions in how best to resolve them.