mzncb 332 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 "...Early criticism of Spears sneered that she was a manufactured pop star, the product of a Swedish songwriting factory that had no real hand in either her music or her persona...Spears, in other words, was a passive blank slate, an actress with basic singing and dancing abilities who got lucky. The star audiences fell in love with was the product of clever producers and marketing..." https://www.vox.com/culture/21328341/britney-spears-conservatorship-explained-free-britney "My black family and peers reveled in stanning black artists who gave strong vocal performances, could dance on beat, and maintained stylish aesthetics. More importantly, it was an unspoken rule to support the music that was being made for us and by us. Unfortunately, the former were attributes that my girl Britney arguably never matched, and the latter was a rule she'd never have to play by...I'm grateful for an evolved music industry that has recognized the power of black women to define pop, too. (Hi, Beyoncé.)..." https://www.nylon.com/baby-one-more-time-20 The latter 1999 performance with a back-handspring had a camera cut away from the landing, but here is the performance in full: So what am I missing? The last time I checked, all the female stars-past and present/black and white- that Britney has been pitted against: Jennifer Lopez, Christina Aguilera, Beyonce, Aaliyah, Mya Brandy, Shakira, Janet Jackson, and Madonna, were and are, incapable performing this gymnast dance move (with no running start) on video or, far more more impressively, the vulnerability performing it LIVE on stage. (Even P!nk's acrobatic skills didn't happen live until after Britney's prime was already over) Hey, I'm not saying Britney was/is capable of moving her body the same way many of the aforementioned artists could, or could do many of the choreographies or dance moves of those listed have performed. And I'm also not saying Britney didn't participate in tanking her own career in the summer of 2004. But I'm a Slave 4 U? Me Against the Music? Overprotected? You Drive Me Crazy? Comparing all these choreographies with the one's the aforementioned names have performed is strictly OPINION and SUBJECTIVE. What is NOT subjective is the fact that Britney is considered to have gotten "lucky" based on "basic dancing abilities" and "couldn't "dance on beat" despite the fact Beyonce, Aaliyah, Jennifer Lopez, Madonna, Janet Jackson,Mya, Shakira, Brandy, and Christina Aguilera were all incapable of performing this acrobatic gymnastic move, with no running start. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brecht 7 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 So you're choosing to ignore the whole talk about race and privilege that Nylon article brought and instead is saying that Britney is not maufactured because she could do a backflip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You are complaining about nothing. Everyone appreciate Britney's dance abilities and dont compare her to other artists. Shes not seen as an manufactured singer that got lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Brecht said: So you're choosing to ignore the whole talk about race and privilege that Nylon article brought and instead is saying that Britney is not maufactured because she could do a backflip? The author blatantly implied that Britney's race and privilege contributed to her not being able to "dance on beat", when compared to black artists when she wrote "My black family and peers reveled in stanning black artists who could dance on beat...Unfortunately, the former were attributes that my girl Britney arguably never matched." Again, how can she introduce race, and especially, "privilege", when a live no-running start back-handspring is an acrobatic gymnast move that black artists such as Aaliyah (Don't forget Britney also performed it in "manufactured" 1999 before Aaliyah's passing), Beyonce (who the author deliberately contrasted Britney against) Janet Jackson, Mya and Brandy or celebrated white artists such as Madonna and Lady Gaga and Latina artists such Jennifer Lopez, Shakira and Christina Aguilera were all incapable of performing this move in a music video (where we can see their face) or far more impressively, LIVE on stage??? 1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said: You are complaining about nothing. Everyone appreciate Britney's dance abilities and dont compare her to other artists. Shes not seen as an manufactured singer that got lucky. The author of the first Vox article clearly wrote "...Spears, in other words, was a passive blank slate, an actress with basic singing and dancing abilities who got lucky." Again, all those names were incapable of performing this gymnast move, especially LIVE. 2 hours ago, Brecht said: instead is saying that Britney is not maufactured because she could do a backflip? Britney demonstrated very wide and assorted dance styles in only a 5 years. This is very tangible for anyone to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAG 7 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 What’s this even about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 hours ago, darkpaw said: What’s this even about? Your post means this thread deserves a bump. Well, I was just basically alluding to the fact that these articles suggested that her race and/or privilege via "basic dancing skills" meant she got lucky despite the fact that black artists such as Beyonce, Aaliyah, Janet Jackson and Brandy were/are all athletically incapable of incorporating this gymnast move into her performances. While it was already written in a previous post for all to see in this thread, here is my response again to the user Brecht's post: 18 hours ago, Brecht said: So you're choosing to ignore the whole talk about race and privilege that Nylon article brought and instead is saying that Britney is not maufactured because she could do a backflip? The author blatantly implied that Britney's race and privilege contributed to her not being able to "dance on beat", when compared to black artists by writing, "My black family and peers reveled in stanning black artists who could dance on beat...Unfortunately, the former were attributes that my girl Britney arguably never matched." Again, how can she introduce race, and especially, "privilege", when a live no-running start back-handspring is an acrobatic gymnast move that black artists such as Aaliyah (Britney also performed it in "manufactured" 1999 before Aaliyah's passing in 2001), Beyonce (who the author deliberately contrasted Britney against) Janet Jackson, Mya and Brandy or celebrated white artists such as Madonna and Lady Gaga as well as Latina artists such Jennifer Lopez, Shakira and Christina Aguilera were all incapable of performing this move in a music video (where we can see their face) or far more impressively, LIVE on stage??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 I also found it hilarious that some people said Sporty Spice's FAR LESS impressive back handspring means something compared to Britney.... Really??? YOU PEOPLE CAN ONLY NAME ONE OTHER POP STAR???? Anyway, Britney did a full routine while incorporating a back-handspring in the midst of an already heavy dance performance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzncb 332 Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 2:40 PM, Brecht said: So you're choosing to ignore the whole talk about race and privilege that Nylon article brought and instead is saying that Britney is not maufactured because she could do a backflip? So no-one really had any thoughts about this thread huh???? Again: As with nearly all aspects of American life, the question of race was inextricable from Britney’s ascent. The mythmaking that presented her as the “All-American girl” was conspicuously absent from the marketing of Brandy and Aaliyah, two preternaturally gifted teen stars barely older than Britney, whom radio programmers, television executives, and editors often slotted into the “urban” lane, a racially loaded phrase used historically to ghettoize black artists in the music industry. Around the same time that Oops! I Did It Again shattered pop records, Destiny’s Child was amid a similarly canonical run. But despite similar chart domination, mass media magazine editors weren’t rushing to put Beyoncé, Kelly, and Michelle in the stars and stripes. For all of its riffs on new jack swing and R&B, the boy band and teen-pop era was glaringly white (although the half-Ecuadorian Christina Aguilera did immediately follow up her debut with a Spanish-language album). While the musical themes may have stressed inclusion, the marketing and presentation were implicitly geared to white America." https://www.theringer.com/music/2020/5/14/21258289/britney-spears-oops-i-did-it-again-20-year-anniversary-retrospective Again, all the black or Latina artists the media pitted against Britney-and some white artists like MADONNA AND LADY GAGA-were all ATHLETICALLY INCAPABLE of performing this acrobatic gymnastic move LIVE. That really should factor when talking about her privilege. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAG 7 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, mzncb said: So no-one really had any thoughts about this thread huh???? No. That really should factor when talking about her privilege. Should we also factor in that she lip syncs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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