DNC Platform Committee votes down support for M4A

[Yuuri 21,636]

17 minutes ago, ClarenceCross said:

god im starting to hate democrats just as much as republicans

Nothing new here, most politicans voice their beliefs based on money. 

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1 hour ago, nathantj594 said:

Biden’s healthcare plan would add in a public option to the ACA which would guarantee free universal healthcare. Same accomplishment of M4A without forcing people to give up private insurance if they don’t want to. 

A public option is fundamentally flawed because it divides between rich and poor. When you do that, it is only a matter of time before politicians completely dismantle it. I mean it literally has already partially happened with the ACA. 
 

These stunts are only to protect the insurance companies. There is no other excuse. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, LilyLark said:

TBH I don't get why the left doesn't move towards multi-payer universal health care. it's not like single-payer is the most common way to get universal healthcare around the world, either. Germany arguably has the best healthcare in the world and it's multi-payer UH.

Because then the rich will put all the money in their tier of healthcare, and leave crumbs for the working people’s healthcare. Also, that system will cost more money to maintain bc of the two tiers. 

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39 minutes ago, ClarenceCross said:

god im starting to hate democrats just as much as republicans

 

20 minutes ago, Yuuri said:

Nothing new here, most politicans voice their beliefs based on money. 

This tea. I can’t believe I used to never understand why people hated Democrats, and the fact people to the left of them exist. While Dems will always be better than the republicans, murdering 5 people instead of 8 isn’t something to be proud of <3

[Yuuri 21,636]

2 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

 

This tea. I can’t believe I used to never understand why people hated Democrats, and the fact people to the left of them exist. While Dems will always be better than the republicans, murdering 5 people instead of 8 isn’t something to be proud of <3

I personally believe that the United States isn't a fully capitalist country. It's a country were the rich have socialism to stay rich, and the poor have capitialism.

Here is a qoute from the guardian:

"To the conservative mind, the specter of socialism conjures up a society in which no one is held accountable, and no one has to work for what they receive. Yet that’s exactly the society Trump and the Republicans are promoting for the rich.

Meanwhile, most Americans are subject to an increasingly harsh and arbitrary capitalism in which they’re working harder but getting nowhere, and have less security than ever.

They need thicker safety nets and deserve a bigger piece of the economic pie. If you want to call this socialism, fine. I call it fair"

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7 minutes ago, Yuuri said:

I personally believe that the United States isn't a fully capitalist country. It's a country were the rich have socialism to stay rich, and the poor have capitialism.

Here is a qoute from the guardian:

"To the conservative mind, the specter of socialism conjures up a society in which no one is held accountable, and no one has to work for what they receive. Yet that’s exactly the society Trump and the Republicans are promoting for the rich.

Meanwhile, most Americans are subject to an increasingly harsh and arbitrary capitalism in which they’re working harder but getting nowhere, and have less security than ever.

They need thicker safety nets and deserve a bigger piece of the economic pie. If you want to call this socialism, fine. I call it fair"

Yup. You SPILLED. Big companies got to loot the FED while the people got crumbs. Corporate socialism would be fine if fickle-down reaganomics actually existed 💀 But in a consumer spending based economy, not giving money to the citizens will tank the economy. Yet republicans are stupid enough to actually try and do that. If things don’t change within 45 days, they’re just gonna LOSE so bad in 2020 it’s gonna be such a laugh 😭

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Take down and break apart both parties! They're both corrupt and morally bankrupt.

[Pennywise 36,080]

I swear Americans don't deserve to be rid of Covid. Y'all will go against universal healthcare, AND throw covid parties, AND protest about having to wear a mask for five ****ing minutes? 

 

I used to think my country had the [redacted] people in the world, but apparently not. Y'all take the throne. 

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1 hour ago, Yuuri said:

I personally believe that the United States isn't a fully capitalist country. It's a country were the rich have socialism to stay rich, and the poor have capitialism.

That's literally what's going on. People are perfectly OK with socialism for the rich, but they will NEVER admit that it's socialism. Meanwhile, people who are poor and struggling are expected to devote their entire existence to capitalism. The US is basically a plutocracy at this point. 

[LilyLark 10,213]

2 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Because then the rich will put all the money in their tier of healthcare, and leave crumbs for the working people’s healthcare. Also, that system will cost more money to maintain bc of the two tiers. 

I mean, I doubt it would widely be considered the best healthcare system in the world if the working class just got crumbs. It's definitely considered better than the UK and Italy, which are both single payer. 

I get your point, but I'd rather have something that can pass—like multi payer universal healthcare—than something that seems like it's beyond reach.

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4 hours ago, LilyLark said:

TBH I don't get why the left doesn't move towards multi-payer universal health care. it's not like single-payer is the most common way to get universal healthcare around the world, either. Germany arguably has the best healthcare in the world and it's multi-payer UH.

Gurl Not at all 

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6 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

I mean, I doubt it would widely be considered the best healthcare system in the world if the working class just got crumbs. It's definitely considered better than the UK and Italy, which are both single payer. 

I get your point, but I'd rather have something that can pass—like multi payer universal healthcare—than something that seems like it's beyond reach.

Anything can pass if there’s enough politicians who vote for it, and there’s enough pressure for it. But elected officials constantly choose the opposite of what the people who voted them in for. That’s why I’m for primarying corporate democrats who prevent it. Any are at risk, even Nancy Pelosi. 

M4A unfortunately is dead for now... but the fight won’t end. 

[President Biden 5,898]

8 hours ago, JRCF29 said:

@President Biden discuss 

This is good. The majority of voters voted for Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar, not Warren and Sanders. The majority of voters do not want a M4A candidate because it will not win a national election.

 

Thankfully, the DNC is putting electoral success and the ability to defeat Trump ahead of the senseless demands of the Twitter mob

[President Biden 5,898]

7 hours ago, Batwings said:

I am SO ****ing sick of the Democrats acting like "We have to try to be moderate to appeal to voters..." Um, no. Republicans in the US are now extremely far-right batshit crazy, and they haven't lost any votes because Republicans always fall in line, no matter how disgusting their candidates are. You won't win their vote. Just do the right thing already.  

The majority of them aren’t though. That’s why groups like The Lincoln Project, Gen Z GOP, and Republicans for Biden exist. Because a lot of Republicans are moderate and will support Biden because of it.

 

Extremism breeds ineffectiveness and egotism. Moderation brings about cooperation and the ability to deal-make. The latter is far more successful in the long run. That’s why all of our President have been moderates. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, even really Trump is center-right (he supports fair trade and moderate regulation, endorsed marriage rights, has appointed 2 SCOTUS justices who have swung liberal on decisions). He’s far from the “extreme right” that is people like Ted Cruz or Rick Perry.

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8 hours ago, nathantj594 said:

Biden’s healthcare plan would add in a public option to the ACA which would guarantee free universal healthcare. Same accomplishment of M4A without forcing people to give up private insurance if they don’t want to. 

Except, as I have pointed out at least a hundred times on this forum, that when you create a government public option and keep private insurance, you are going to split the risk pools. When you do that what you are going to do is inevitably bankrupt the public option because the sick and poor people will opt in for the public option and others will still cling to their private insurance. And when that happens, the premiums for the public option will have to go up in order to remain solvent. 

 

And then you get public option insurance at private insurance prices. You get back to square 1. 

 

The fact remains that the only reason the insurance industry exists is to profit off of sick people. By eliminating the profit motive and providing healthcare free at the point of service funded through progressive taxation is the only way to eliminate administrative waste and to lower the cost per capita for healthcare.