Britney fans continue to expose her team

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38 minutes ago, pdaines said:

That's completely different. Hypothetically, the doctor might have been appointed within the conservator relationship. Similarly, the conservator relationship might include appointing a general purpose lawyer. But the legal system must afford her a way to reasonably contest the existence of the relationship itself, and it would be a classic conflict of interest for the person benefiting from the relationship to be in control of the representation of the perspective that it should be terminated. 

Even if the judge determined that Britney was not competent to hire an attorney for this purpose, the judge could likely have had one appointed on her behalf to represent her interests to the extent that they diverge from the conservator's. I find it difficult to believe (without evidence and actual research) that Britney's interest in ending her conservatorship is being represented by an attorney appointed by her father, as you seem to suggest.

Her mother actually hired the lawyer to look into the conservatorship of her child. Not Britney. Why? Because Britney can’t hire her own lawyer. You seems like you know it all but you actually don’t. Simple google search will show you that people who are under conservatorship can’t hire their own lawyer and can’t do basically ANYTHING without their conservator’s permission. 

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2 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

I agree that her dad cant force her into a mental facility, but that is what Britney said in court. Maybe she meant he forced her by threatening her with kids costudy or pressured her? I have no idea.

What court file document specifically do you want, because they are from different dates, some 2008 and some 2019

I'm mostly looking for the ones pertaining to her having her own lawyer and where she stated she would like to end the conservatorship.

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37 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Her mother actually hired the lawyer to look into the conservatorship of her child. Not Britney. Why? Because Britney can’t hire her own lawyer. You seems like you know it all but you actually don’t. Simple google search will show you that people who are under conservatorship can’t hire their own lawyer and can’t do basically ANYTHING without their conservator’s permission. 

Being able to hire your own general purpose lawyer to manage your finances fits into the general concept of a conservator. There is no conflict of interest there. Maybe California overlooks the conflict of interest that we've identified, but it's still a fundamentally different question that should be kept analytically distinct. 

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2 hours ago, pdaines said:

As an attorney, this just doesn't sound like an accurate description of how the legal system works. I'm not an expert on California conservatorship laws, but I would be shocked if Britney really had no way of communicating her interest in ending the arrangement or hiring her own lawyer to represent her position. 

 

2 hours ago, pdaines said:

I would also like to see a copy of any court document that includes a transcript where Britney is alleging abuse or where she is alleging that she is being restrained from legally contesting her--plus any documents showing the response from the other side and the resolution. 

Court files is public you can easily google it, but its really hard to look through all of them. So here is an easier way with some court file pictures.

 

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7 minutes ago, justhislife said:

I'm mostly looking for the ones pertaining to her having her own lawyer and where she stated she would like to end the conservatorship.

Check out my last comment.. also her brother did a interview conforming Britney wants out but they dont trust her.

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13 hours ago, DavieX said:

I love Britney but fans should not get involved in these things, I get that they feel sorry for her but they should Mind their own bussness. 

 

Then you should mind your own business and not comment on a thread that clearly cares about Britney. 

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42 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the links. I actually looked at the entire thread and found that they were trying to twist the truth about what was going on. On the "For The Record" portion, they tried to frame it as though she was being too controlled by the conservatorship. But it was actually about her being a celebrity and being followed everywhere, ironically talking about not getting enough privacy. It also failed to address if a capacity declaration was eventually procured and how. And while that doesn't mean that everything else is invalid, it questions it.

I think it's a very complicated situation and we don't know the whole truth, be it for or against the conservatorship. The assumption made in much of the "proof" is that Britney is in touch with reality (such as when she allegedly wants to be out of the conservatorship and how she sees it). This is shown with the Tik Tok video recently posted about the letter. The talking in third person is worrying and a sign of dissociation, if it is authentic. I do find it worrying if she really can't hire her own lawyer, though having your own lawyer doesn't make much sense if you are (or seen as) dissociative (nonetheless she should still have the option). Her mother, sister, and brother could all petition the court to dissolve the conservatorship if they wanted but they haven't. I'd imagine that they aren't strangers to the situation, though I acknowledge her mother wants to be made aware of the finances. The tabloids posting that x person will testify in her favor don't really tell me much, because most of them are from anonymous sources, and several of the sources are regarding Sam Lufti lawsuits, who sued not just Britney's family but Britney as well. 

 

I do want to explicitly state that I am not simply pro-conservatorship. There is a lot of information to consider and a lot of possible explanations for a lot of what we know. I believe it's a very delicate situation because ending the conservatorship even though she needs it could end tragically. Furthermore, in questions of mental health what Britney THINKS is best for her does not mean it is best for her (if she is unfit) just as a child cannot determine what is best for them despite what they believe. In regards to her releasing music and touring, I see it as an analogy of a child going to the playground. A child should be able to do what they like, under supervision. Just as Britney should do what she enjoys (music) under supervision. I understand she's 38 and as such does not qualify as a child, but they are both (allegedly) unfit to take care of themselves. I don't wish for people to blatantly dismiss the FreeBritney movement, but it seems like people are sensationalizing information and passing off tabloid news as facts. Even worse, people are interfering with Britney's Zoom meetings with the judge, effectively delaying her release if she is able to care for herself (though I know this is only several people and do not try to generalize this radical action to every FreeBritney believer).

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2 hours ago, justhislife said:

Thank you for the links. I actually looked at the entire thread and found that they were trying to twist the truth about what was going on. On the "For The Record" portion, they tried to frame it as though she was being too controlled by the conservatorship. But it was actually about her being a celebrity and being followed everywhere, ironically talking about not getting enough privacy. It also failed to address if a capacity declaration was eventually procured and how. And while that doesn't mean that everything else is invalid, it questions it.

I think it's a very complicated situation and we don't know the whole truth, be it for or against the conservatorship. The assumption made in much of the "proof" is that Britney is in touch with reality (such as when she allegedly wants to be out of the conservatorship and how she sees it). This is shown with the Tik Tok video recently posted about the letter. The talking in third person is worrying and a sign of dissociation, if it is authentic. I do find it worrying if she really can't hire her own lawyer, though having your own lawyer doesn't make much sense if you are (or seen as) dissociative (nonetheless she should still have the option). Her mother, sister, and brother could all petition the court to dissolve the conservatorship if they wanted but they haven't. I'd imagine that they aren't strangers to the situation, though I acknowledge her mother wants to be made aware of the finances. The tabloids posting that x person will testify in her favor don't really tell me much, because most of them are from anonymous sources, and several of the sources are regarding Sam Lufti lawsuits, who sued not just Britney's family but Britney as well. 

 

I do want to explicitly state that I am not simply pro-conservatorship. There is a lot of information to consider and a lot of possible explanations for a lot of what we know. I believe it's a very delicate situation because ending the conservatorship even though she needs it could end tragically. Furthermore, in questions of mental health what Britney THINKS is best for her does not mean it is best for her (if she is unfit) just as a child cannot determine what is best for them despite what they believe. In regards to her releasing music and touring, I see it as an analogy of a child going to the playground. A child should be able to do what they like, under supervision. Just as Britney should do what she enjoys (music) under supervision. I understand she's 38 and as such does not qualify as a child, but they are both (allegedly) unfit to take care of themselves. I don't wish for people to blatantly dismiss the FreeBritney movement, but it seems like people are sensationalizing information and passing off tabloid news as facts. Even worse, people are interfering with Britney's Zoom meetings with the judge, effectively delaying her release if she is able to care for herself (though I know this is only several people and do not try to generalize this radical action to every FreeBritney believer).

You asked me about specific things and I gave you evidence for that. No need to bring other posts from the thread that I did not use in my comment. I specifically picked the ones I believe are strong arguments and what you requested.

Britney did not talk about herself as a third person, the letter was meant for someone else to read it.

We have court files of three doctors saying Britney mimics bipolar, but doesnt have it or any other mental illness. Conservatorships are not meant for mentally ill people anyway. There are many ways to test if Britney is capable of being free. Like removing some restrictions and see how she handles it while still being under the conservatorship. Then the judge can end the conservatorship or allow more freedom.

You think if her family and court support the conservatorship, there shouldnt be any concerns right? Well corruption and family abuse does exist. It happened to Brian Wilson from the beach boys, who was later freed by his current wife. It happened to Casey Kasem and his children fighting to get him back and see him till his death. And here is John Oliver talking about it: