FRANZGA 13,920 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 hours ago, littlepotter said: I'm confused... I thought he raped her by forcing himself on her. 2 hours ago, M Monstre said: He did, according to her, but we don’t know where that happened. It seems like—from what I’m inferring from her story—they met up somewhere. I mean, why would Ansel take all the time out of his day to go over to her house? Depending on where she was, he might’ve needed to fly over there or something. Unless something new came out, she never specified where they were. I’m just assuming here. He didnt force himself.. twas consensual.. In the middle of the sex tho, she felt pain and sobbed. . Ansel said "we need to break you in" as she was a virgin amd continued That's hardly an assault Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,714 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, FRANZGA said: He didnt force himself.. twas consensual.. In the middle of the sex tho, she felt pain and sobbed. . Ansel said "we need to break you in" as she was a virgin amd continued That's hardly an assault Were you there? We don't know the context of the situation. Either way, just because she agreed to have sex with him at first doesn't mean that she's not allowed to change her mind. If she wanted him to stop, and he didn't, then it's still assault. Saying, "we need to break you in" sounds like assault, in the way she was describing it. Again, we don't know the context of the situation, so perhaps it wasn't as bad or threatening as she made it out to be, but like I said multiple times in this thread, we need to treat sexual assault cases like they're true and then work to see if they're fake. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Oriane said: Ok everyone, THIS is the post, right ? We all read the same thing, right ? "I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT", right ? Or has everyone who has been saying "she didn't say no, she didn't tell him to stop" been reading something else ??? What's the original post ? "So when it happened instead of asking me if i wanted to stop having sex knowing it was my first time and I was sobbing in pain and I didn't want to do it the only words that came out of his mouth were "we need to break you in" I wasnt there in that moment mentally." From that bit, she didnt say anything in my understanding.. maybe she's afraid or whatever.. Ansel just said "we need to break you in".. In my opinion, that's not an assault.. but Ansel was an a-hole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, M Monstre said: Were you there? We don't know the context of the situation. Either way, just because she agreed to have sex with him at first doesn't mean that she's not allowed to change her mind. If she wanted him to stop, and he didn't, then it's still assault. Saying, "we need to break you in" sounds like assault, in the way she was describing it. Again, we don't know the context of the situation, so perhaps it wasn't as bad or threatening as she made it out to be, but like I said multiple times in this thread, we need to treat sexual assault cases like they're true and then work to see if they're fake. "In the way she's describing it".. how could the guy knew what she's thinking tho??? First time is always painful.. And yup, i believed the incident happened but from my perspective it's just a Horrible First Sex Experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,714 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Just now, FRANZGA said: "In the way she's describing it".. how could the guy knew what she's thinking tho??? First time is always painful.. And yup, i believed the incident happened but from my perspective it's just a Horrible First Sex Experience Should she have said something if she really was in pain and felt like she didn't want to have sex anymore? Sure, she could've, but in situations like that, it's much, much, much easier said than done. Even if she consented at first, it's still assault if she decided that she didn't want to do it anymore. A horrible first-time sexual experience doesn't result in you getting PTSD or having to go to therapy. You're literally on a site dedicated to someone who's a survivor of sexual assault. Would you be saying some of things you're saying now to Gaga? I don't think so. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 minute ago, M Monstre said: Should she have said something if she really was in pain and felt like she didn't want to have sex anymore? Sure, she could've, but in situations like that, it's much, much, much easier said than done. Even if she consented at first, it's still assault if she decided that she didn't want to do it anymore. A horrible first-time sexual experience doesn't result in you getting PTSD or having to go to therapy. You're literally on a site dedicated to someone who's a survivor of sexual assault. Would you be saying some of things you're saying now to Gaga? I don't think so. So if i deflowered a woman and it turned out horrible and she claimed i assaulted her for not stopping even when she thought i shouldve stopped, i'm automatically a "RAPIST".. chile, glad i'm gay and a bot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,714 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, FRANZGA said: So if i deflowered a woman and it turned out horrible and she claimed i assaulted her for not stopping even when she thought i shouldve stopped, i'm automatically a "RAPIST".. chile, glad i'm gay and a bot That's not what happened though, according to her She made it explicitly clear that she felt violated. No one sees a bad first-time sex experience as "rape" or "assault." You are literally ignoring all of the points I'm making. Please come back to me when you have comprehended my previous comments. But I'll say it here again: A bad first-time sexual experience doesn't result in PTSD and therapy sessions. Get that through your head. If it was just a bad first-time, she wouldn't need to go to therapy and it wouldn't result in her having PTSD. Obviously something traumatic happened to her which resulted in those instances. Glad I'm not as incoherent and disconnected as some people here 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANZGA 13,920 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, M Monstre said: That's not what happened though, according to her She made it explicitly clear that she felt violated. No one sees a bad first-time sex experience as "rape" or "assault." You are literally ignoring all of the points I'm making. Please come back to me when you have comprehended my previous comments. But I'll say it here again: A bad first-time sexual experience doesn't result in PTSD and therapy sessions. Get that through your head. If it was just a bad first-time, she wouldn't need to go to therapy and it wouldn't result in her having PTSD. Obviously something traumatic happened to her which resulted in those instances. Glad I'm not as incoherent and disconnected as some people here Is that an evidence to the court?? Is there more receipts, we need more receipts..??? I'm just basing from the sexual events presented Again from my example from above, "If i deflowered a woman and it turned out horrible and she claimed i assaulted her for not stopping even when she thought i shouldve stopped and that she suffered PTSD from it, i'm automatically a "RAPIST".. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,714 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, FRANZGA said: Is that an evidence to the court?? Is there more receipts, we need more receipts..??? I'm just basing from the sexual events presented Again from my example from above, "If i deflowered a woman and it turned out horrible and she claimed i assaulted her for not stopping even when she thought i shouldve stopped and that she suffered PTSD from it, i'm automatically a "RAPIST".. That's not exactly what you said though. You said, "So if i deflowered a woman and it turned out horrible and she claimed i assaulted her for not stopping even when she thought i shouldve stopped, i'm automatically a 'RAPIST'.." If she suffers from PTSD, then yeah, you're for sure a rapist. At the very least, you assaulted her. But even if she didn't get PTSD, if she was in physical pain (which is something you and I can agree on, right?) and you still continued, I would consider that assault too. It's not rocket science. If it wasn't "rape" by your standards, then he should at the very least stopped whatever it was he was doing to make sure she was okay. Call him whatever you want to, but nevertheless he should've stopped. Also, rape cases are very difficult to prove in court. And it's very difficult to get "receipts." I'm not saying that it isn't possible, and I'm not saying that rapists shouldn't be brought to court, but if you wanna talk about the facts, those are the facts. There are many reasons why so many people don't come forward with sexual assault allegations. It's not like murder where you can clearly see that something's happened and someone's dead. It's notoriously difficult to prove that rape happened because a lot of it is "he said/she said" sort of stuff. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,147 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, M Monstre said: That's not what happened though, according to her She made it explicitly clear that she felt violated. No one sees a bad first-time sex experience as "rape" or "assault." You are literally ignoring all of the points I'm making. Please come back to me when you have comprehended my previous comments. But I'll say it here again: A bad first-time sexual experience doesn't result in PTSD and therapy sessions. Get that through your head. If it was just a bad first-time, she wouldn't need to go to therapy and it wouldn't result in her having PTSD. Obviously something traumatic happened to her which resulted in those instances. Glad I'm not as incoherent and disconnected as some people here Do you realize how problematic and actually horrifying it is that you are basically saying it does not matter what he did but what she felt? Think of the implications that that has. Jesus christ. I won't even get started on the made up rule that only rape or assault can trigger PTSD. This is quite literally a 100% baseless claim. People go to therapy for all kinds of things - are we gatekeeping mental health now? chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,714 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 minute ago, littlepotter said: Do you realize how problematic and actually horrifying it is that you are basically saying it does not matter what he did but what she felt? Think of the implications that that has. Jesus christ. I won't even get started on the made up rule that only rape or assault can trigger PTSD. This is quite literally a 100% baseless claim. People go to therapy for all kinds of things - are we gatekeeping mental health now? She said that the PTSD was triggered because of the rape/assault. That is a direct cause-effect relationship. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. And of course we need to look at both sides of the situation, but like I've said literally countless times in this thread already, I personally believe that we need to look at sexual assault cases as true, and then proceed to figure out if it's fake or not. And like I've said already sooooooo many times in this thread, 2-10% of reported sexual assaults are false. Can y'all please pick up on that stat? I'm not saying that it's impossible for her to be lying. I'm just saying that it's more likely than not that she's telling the truth. Think about the implications if this is true and y'all are just harping on her even more. People are already defending Ansel anyway, just look at this thread alone. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 13,017 Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 Kinda curious if Ansel is actually going to say anything. I expected a response from him, perhaps his team have told him to be silent on this? I feel sorry for his West Side Story cast and crew, could have a real negative impact on the film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyniildisk 12,689 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 was he the prince in Cinderella? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farting 629 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Damn people love to make assumptions huh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,620 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dulo Peep said: was he the prince in Cinderella? 16 hours ago, Twitter said: But still who is this guy? Edit: nvm 5 hours ago, Skrill said: Who is that even lol 16 hours ago, Twitter said: Who is this On 6/20/2020 at 1:17 AM, jzraei said: Whomst On 6/19/2020 at 10:29 PM, pachinko said: Who?! On 6/19/2020 at 10:35 PM, xoxo Craig said: Who is that? On 6/19/2020 at 10:39 PM, JustHMLover2 said: He is that guy from The Fault In Our Stars, and Baby Driver. I think those are two movies most people know him from. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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