Sweden strategist expert : their strategy "correct"

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Swedish Faith in Covid Strategy Plunges After Errors Revealed

Swedes’ confidence in their country’s handling of the Covid-19 crisis has plunged to less than half the population, as the scientist behind the controversial strategy admits he made mistakes.

A poll published on Thursday shows an 18 percentage point slump in Swedish support for the government’s response to the virus, including its decision to leave much of society open during the spread of the pandemic.

According to the Novus poll published by Sweden’s state broadcaster SVT, only 45% of Swedes now have “fairly high or very high” faith in the strategy, compared with 63% in April.

But at 44 deaths per 100,000, Sweden’s mortality rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds rates in neighboring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns early on. Like elsewhere, the virus hit Sweden’s oldest citizens hardest.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/sweden-won-t-abandon-covid-strategy-despite-admitting-to-errors

 

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1 hour ago, Henri Bardot said:

I see this working in partially isolated countries like in Scandinavia. However, have you seen Western Europe? One of the most densely populated areas in the world and we did pretty bad. Specially in areas like Madrid, Flanders, Ile-de-France and Grand-Est.

If no measures had been taken, hospitals would’ve collapsed in all of those places (in France they almost did in some zones).

Or see Mexico/ Brazil. 

We have to understand that not every country is the same! 

some things may work in one, others wont work in another 

 

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4 hours ago, Thomas said:

As a Swede, we’re doing pretty OK. I’ve already had the virus, and we’re all back to work. Foreign media seems to think we live in some sort of dystopian society where everything has been open 24/7 and people die on the streets... At least our economy won’t be plummeting in a year 

I personally see no point in lockdowns if there is no significant risk of overwhelming the healthcare system. Sweden's healthcare system seems to be handling it fine, it's not working over capacity or anything, so there really is no point in shutting the economy down.

It really comes down to each country's healthcare situation. Those with more capacity will need shorter/no lockdowns.

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18 minutes ago, Da J said:

I personally see no point in lockdowns if there is no significant risk of overwhelming the healthcare system.

Exactly

U.S. hospitalizations on the rise, former FDA chief says

Coronavirus hospitalizations are on the rise around the country, Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC Thursday, as states push forward with plans to reopen the economy and mass protests engulf the country. That could become a problem in the fall, when hospitals around the country begin to fill with flu patients. As the two outbreaks coincide, health systems risk becoming strained. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/04/coronavirus-live-updates.html

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2 hours ago, Economy said:

Sweden also has an unusually high proportion of housing units with only 1 person (no family or room mate) so that makes a difference too

Well, if you think that where there was a lockdown, most cases came from families living in the same house, maybe Sweden didnt benefit at all that it has a lot of people living alone. 

The rest of Scandinavia maybe benefited from this and that's why the countries from the region who lockdowned did so good compared with other countries. 

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1 hour ago, TOSK said:

Swedish Faith in Covid Strategy Plunges After Errors Revealed

Swedes’ confidence in their country’s handling of the Covid-19 crisis has plunged to less than half the population, as the scientist behind the controversial strategy admits he made mistakes.

A poll published on Thursday shows an 18 percentage point slump in Swedish support for the government’s response to the virus, including its decision to leave much of society open during the spread of the pandemic.

According to the Novus poll published by Sweden’s state broadcaster SVT, only 45% of Swedes now have “fairly high or very high” faith in the strategy, compared with 63% in April.

But at 44 deaths per 100,000, Sweden’s mortality rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds rates in neighboring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns early on. Like elsewhere, the virus hit Sweden’s oldest citizens hardest.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/sweden-won-t-abandon-covid-strategy-despite-admitting-to-errors

 

So you post another article that takes the same quote out of context ? 

Also, that article is clearly bad propaganda. People who agree with the measures arent only the ones with "very high" faith in the strategy.

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35 minutes ago, Florin said:

Well, if you think that where there was a lockdown, most cases came from families living in the same house, maybe Sweden didnt benefit at all that it has a lot of people living alone. 

The rest of Scandinavia maybe benefited from this and that's why the countries from the region who lockdowned did so good compared with other countries. 

That doesnt mean it doesn't help tho. I was thinking about this earlier how in lockdown family members would be more likely to give it to eachother of they are stuck at home all day

 

But once it goes thru the family, social distancing would mean less transmission between different households...

 

So innitially a lockdown might make more cases in each household that might offset any transmition outside but in the longer term a lockdown should still reduce a spike

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4 minutes ago, Economy said:

That doesnt mean it doesn't help tho. I was thinking about this earlier how in lockdown family members would be more likely to give it to eachother of they are stuck at home all day

 

But once it goes thru the family, social distancing would mean less transmission between different households...

 

So innitially a lockdown might make more cases in each household that might offset any transmition outside but in the longer term a lockdown should still reduce a spike

I understand your point. I was pointing out that the benefits are probably small considering they didnt lockdowned. But I guess every detail counts. 

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1 hour ago, Florin said:

So you post another article that takes the same quote out of context ? 

You're right, I forgot a very important piece of info from the article

And the poll numbers stand!

 

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7 hours ago, Thomas said:

I had very mild symptoms! Me and my closest friends all became sick the same week after one of us had been on vacation, so we figured it was COVID-19. Me and 2 more people out of the 6 got tested positive through our jobs, so yeah we all had it. I had a fever for 5 days, felt like I had glue in my lungs for about 1,5 weeks (i couldn't walk to my kitchen without getting winded lmao) and i lost all sense of taste and smell for 2 weeks. No coughing or anything. 

 

But honestly, I take very good care of myself and we have very little sickness in my family so I truly believe it strikes differently based on genetics and general immune system. 

eeeeh no thanks, I'm staying at home, it's sounds so awful.

sorry that you had to live through this

 

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Swedish coronavirus chief concedes he'd change 'herd immunity' Covid-19 response

Anders Tegnell says Sweden would apply tougher measures amid any second virus wave

Sweden’s chief coronavirus adviser has conceded that his country may have been too relaxed in its approach to lockdown, sparking an angry backlash.

If Covid-19 struck again, Anders Tegnell told a local radio station, “I think we would end up doing in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did.”

https://www.thenational.ae/world/swedish-coronavirus-chief-concedes-he-d-change-herd-immunity-covid-19-response-1.1029028

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20 minutes ago, TOSK said:

You're right, I forgot a very important piece of info from the article

And the poll numbers stand!

 

What's the point? Didnt respond to any of my claims, but you post other things? 

1. Do u understand that u posted an article that uses an out of context quote from that expert? This thread is basically about that. 

2. Do u understand that "very high" approval of the measures doesnt include all the people from Sweden who agree with the relaxed measures? 

Who made that map? The same people who were wrong when they said the number of deaths will be 10000% higher? 

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3 minutes ago, Florin said:

What's the point? Didnt respond to any of my claims, but you post other things? 

1. Do u understand that u posted an article that uses an out of context quote from that expert? This thread is basically about that. 

2. Do u understand that "very high" approval of the measures doesnt include all the people from Sweden who agree with the relaxed measures? 

Who made that map? The same people who were wrong when they said the number of deaths will be 10000% higher? 

Keep digging deeper. I love it

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1 minute ago, TOSK said:

Keep digging deeper. I love it

So no response to your mistakes again?   

Why do you continus to post articles that uses an out of context quote which was debunked in the article that started this thread? Its embarrassing how u ignore the facts. 

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8 minutes ago, Florin said:

So no response to your mistakes again?   

Why do you continus to post articles that uses an out of context quote which was debunked in the article that started this thread? Its embarrassing how u ignore the facts. 

Sweden’s chief coronavirus adviser has conceded that his country may have been too relaxed in its approach to lockdown, sparking an angry backlash.

If Covid-19 struck again, Anders Tegnell told a local radio station, “I think we would end up doing in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did.”

https://www.thenational.ae/world/swedish-coronavirus-chief-concedes-he-d-change-herd-immunity-covid-19-response-1.1029028